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Marasmius rotula, the pinwheel mushroom, is a fungus in the family Marasmiaceae. Widespread in the Northern Hemisphere, it was first described scientifically in 1772 by Giovanni Antonio Scopoli. The mushrooms are characterized by thin whitish caps up to 2.0 cm (0.8 in) wide that are sunken in the center and pleated with scalloped margins. The wiry black hollow stalks measure up to 8.0 cm (3.1 in) long by 1.5 mm (0.06 in) thick. On the underside of the caps are widely spaced white gills, attached to a collar encircling the stalk. The mushrooms grow in groups or clusters on decaying wood such as moss-covered logs and stumps. Spore release is dependent upon sufficient moisture. Dried mushrooms may revive after rehydrating and release spores for up to three weeks, much longer than most gilled mushrooms. Although the mushrooms are not generally considered edible, they produce a unique peroxidase enzyme that is attracting research interest for use in bioengineering applications. (Full article...)
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- ... that over the course of several decades, the missionaries of New Zealand's German Mission House failed to convert a single person?
- ... that all 55 people killed during the Great Genna Martyrdom in 1622 were beatified by Pope Pius IX more than two hundred years later?
- ... that S'Klallam artist Jeffrey Veregge's "Salish Geek" style blended traditional formline art techniques with bright colors and pop culture references?
- ... that the daimyo of Kumamoto is said to have spent a thousand gold pieces in one night at an Ōsakishimojima teahouse?
- ... that in 2024, C. J. Hanson became the first player from his school to be chosen in the NFL draft since 1989?
- ... that the Chinese Red Army housed its political directorate in a Catholic church in 1935?
- ... that people in Madagascar perform algebra on tree seeds in order to tell the future?
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- The Boeing Starliner spacecraft conducts its first crewed flight, carrying two astronauts to the International Space Station.
- The CNSA Chang'e 6 completes sampling and takeoff from the far side of the Moon.
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June 10: Dragon Boat Festival in China and Taiwan (2024)
- 1624 – Thirty Years' War: France and the Dutch Republic concluded the Treaty of Compiègne, a mutual defence alliance.
- 1786 – Ten days after being formed by an earthquake, a landslide dam on the Dadu River in China was destroyed by an aftershock, causing a flood that killed an estimated 100,000 people.
- 1861 – American Civil War: The Confederate Army only suffered eight casualties in its victory at the Battle of Big Bethel in York County, Virginia.
- 1957 – Led by John Diefenbaker (pictured), the Progressive Conservative Party won a plurality of House of Commons seats in the Canadian federal election.
- 1987 – Mass protests demanding direct presidential elections broke out across South Korea.
- Isabella Andreini (d. 1604)
- Gustave Courbet (b. 1819)
- Ninian Comper (b. 1864)
- Alexandra Stan (b. 1989)
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The discography of SZA, an American singer-songwriter, includes two studio albums, three extended plays (EPs), one live album, and forty-four singles, as of 2024. After self-releasing her first two EPs, SZA signed to the record label Top Dawg Entertainment, under which she released her 2017 debut studio album, Ctrl. The album peaked at number three in the United States Billboard 200, charted there for more than five years, and earned SZA some of her first Grammy nominations in 2018. After a five-year wait, during which SZA appeared in three top-10 collaborations, she released SOS, her second studio album. It became SZA's first number-one album in several countries, was the US's third best-selling album of 2023, and spawned "Kill Bill", the third-best-selling single of the year worldwide. SZA's next projects are a deluxe edition of SOS and her third studio album, Lana. Ctrl and SOS have been ranked by Rolling Stone as among the 500 greatest albums of all time. (Full list...)
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An oblique shock is a shock wave that, unlike a normal shock, is inclined with respect to the direction of incoming air. It occurs when a supersonic flow encounters a corner that effectively turns the flow into itself and compresses. This photograph shows an oblique shock at the nose of a Northrop T-38 Talon aircraft, made visible through Schlieren photography. Photograph credit: NASA & US Air Force (J.T. Heineck, Ed Schairer, Maj. Jonathan Orso, Maj. Jeremy Vanderhal)
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Ronald Reagan (1911–2004) was an American politician and actor who served as the 40th president of the United States from 1981 to 1989. Reagan graduated from Eureka College in 1932 and began to work as a sports broadcaster in Iowa. In 1937, he moved to California, and became a well-known film actor there. From 1947 to 1952, and from 1959 to 1960, Reagan served as the president of the Screen Actors Guild. From 1967 to 1975, Reagan served as the 33rd governor of California. He was defeated in his run for the Republican presidential nomination in the 1968 election as well as the 1976 election, but won both the nomination and election in the 1980 election, defeating President Jimmy Carter. As president, Reagan implemented new political initiatives as well as economic policies, advocating a laissez-faire philosophy, but the extent to which these ideas were implemented is debatable. The policies, dubbed "Reaganomics", included substantial tax cuts implemented in 1981. (Full article...)
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- ... that Australian gamer Zer0 led his team to an Apex Legends Global Series championship with a substitution teammate to whom he had never spoken before?
- ... that Louisa May Alcott wrote A Modern Mephistopheles as part of an anonymous series in which readers were meant to guess the author?
- ... that the first model of cosmic inflation was formulated by a Soviet physicist but initially remained unknown outside the Soviet Union?
- ... that the Beep the Meep puppet created for "The Star Beast" took six people to operate?
- ... that football player Levi Drake Rodriguez, considered small for his position, went on an "eat-as-much-as-humanly-possible diet" to be noticed by NFL teams?
- ... that Macklemore's song "Hind's Hall" refers to Hind Rajab, a six-year-old girl who was killed in the Gaza Strip in January 2024?
- ... that starting at age 16, future Woolworths CEO Brad Banducci was named top sewing machine salesperson three years in a row?
- ... that the ancient Greek game polis is one of the world's oldest known strategy games?
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- In the Indian general election, the National Democratic Alliance, led by Prime Minister Narendra Modi, is re-elected with a reduced majority.
- The Boeing Starliner spacecraft conducts its first crewed flight, carrying two astronauts to the International Space Station.
- The CNSA Chang'e 6 completes sampling and takeoff from the far side of the Moon.
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- 1594 – Philip II of Spain recognized the sovereign rights of the principalía, local Philippine nobles and chieftains who had converted to Catholicism.
- 1724 – Johann Sebastian Bach directed his cantata O Ewigkeit, du Donnerwort, BWV 20 in Leipzig on the first Sunday after Trinity, beginning his chorale cantata cycle.
- 1914 – Around 2,000 members of European society attended a ball at Kenwood House, England, in one of the last major social events before the outbreak of the First World War.
- 1963 – The University of Alabama was desegregated as Governor George Wallace stepped aside after defiantly blocking the entrance to an auditorium (pictured).
- Roger Bresnahan (b. 1879)
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- A. Thurairajah (d. 1994)
- Rafael Frühbeck de Burgos (d. 2014)
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Zhou Fang was a Chinese painter during the Tang dynasty, living in the capital of Chang'an (modern Xi'an) during the 8th century. He came from a noble background and this was reflected in his works. He personally painted for the emperor and the themes of his artwork covered religious subjects and everyday life. This ink-and-color-on-silk painting, titled Court Ladies Playing Double-sixes, measures 30.5 cm × 69.1 cm (12.0 in × 27.2 in) and depicts members of the emperor's household playing the board game liubo. It now hangs in the Freer Gallery of Art in Washington, D.C. Painting credit: Zhou Fang
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Incapillo is a Pleistocene-age caldera – a depression formed by the collapse of a volcano – in La Rioja Province, Argentina. It is part of the southernmost volcanic centre in the Andean Central Volcanic Zone (CVZ). Subduction of the Nazca Plate beneath the South American Plate is responsible for most of the volcanism in the CVZ. Volcanism commenced in the Incapillo region 6.5 million years ago, forming the high volcanic edifices of Monte Pissis, Cerro Bonete Chico and Sierra de Veladero. Incapillo is known to have erupted the Incapillo ignimbrite 0.52 ± 0.03 and 0.51 ± 0.04 million years ago; this has a total volume of about 20.4 cubic kilometres (4.9 cu mi). A caldera with dimensions of 5 by 6 kilometres (3.1 mi × 3.7 mi) formed during the eruptions. Later volcanism generated more lava domes within the caldera and a debris flow in the Sierra de Veladero. The lake within the caldera may overlie an area of ongoing hydrothermal activity. (Full article...)
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- ... that Kenneth Odumegwu had never appeared in an organized American football game prior to playing in the NFL?
- ... that the Doctor Who episode "The Devil's Chord" references the events of an episode that aired more than sixty years before?
- ... that Rachel Brem discovered a tumor in her own breast while testing ultrasound equipment for her hospital?
- ... that for her residency Ang Ating Musika, Regine Velasquez performed "two concerts-in-one"?
- ... that Bianca Babb, a pioneer girl captured by Comanches, described her time among them as "every day seemed to be a holiday", despite the hardships of her initial capture?
- ... that the two marble statues flanking the Dellwood Cemetery gates represent Mourning and Resurrection?
- ... that before becoming a comedian, Ola Labib was a pharmacist who had never been inside a pub before her first gig?
- ... that the idea for Windswept Adan came to Ichiko Aoba after she noticed the translucency of a sea grape?
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- The Boeing Starliner spacecraft conducts its first crewed flight, carrying two astronauts to the International Space Station.
- The CNSA Chang'e 6 completes sampling and takeoff from the far side of the Moon.
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June 12: First day of Shavuot (Judaism, 2024); Dia dos Namorados in Brazil; Loving Day in the United States (1967)
- 1798 – Following the successful French invasion of Malta, the Knights Hospitaller surrendered Malta to Napoleon, initiating two years of occupation.
- 1864 – Union general Ulysses S. Grant pulled his troops out of the Battle of Cold Harbor in Hanover County, Virginia, ending one of the bloodiest, most lopsided battles in the American Civil War.
- 1914 – As part of the Ottoman Empire's policies of ethnic cleansing, Turkish irregulars began a six-day massacre in the predominantly Greek town of Phocaea.
- 1954 – Dominic Savio, who was 14 years old at his death in 1857, was canonized by Pope Pius XII, making him one of the youngest non-martyred saints in the Catholic Church.
- 1994 – The Boeing 777 (pictured), the world's largest twinjet, made its maiden flight.
- Æthelflæd (d. 918)
- Samuel Cooper (b. 1798)
- Eugénie Brazier (b. 1895)
- Milorad Petrović (d. 1981)
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The green kingfisher (Chloroceryle americana) is a species of bird in the kingfisher family, Alcedinidae. It is found from the southern United States, south through Central America, and in every mainland South American country except Chile. The green kingfisher is about 20 cm (7.9 in) long and weighs about 35 to 40 g (1.2 to 1.4 oz), with females being larger and heavier than males. It has various vocalisations, including one described as resembling "the striking of two pebbles together" and another as "a harsh, buzzy scold". This male green kingfisher, a member of the subspecies C. a. americana, was spotted close to the Cristalino River in the Pantanal, Brazil. Photograph credit: Charles J. Sharp
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The Battle of Villers-Bocage took place in Normandy, France, on 13 June 1944 during World War II. Following the D-Day landings on 6 June, the Germans established defences in front of Caen. The British attacked to attempt to exploit a gap in the German defences west of the city. They reached Villers-Bocage without incident in the morning but were ambushed by Tiger I tanks as they left the town and numerous tanks, anti-tank guns and transport vehicles were destroyed. The Germans then attacked the town but were repulsed. The British withdrew west of Villers-Bocage that evening and repulsed another attack the next day. The British conduct in the battle was controversial because their withdrawal marked the end of the post–D-Day "scramble for ground" and the start of an attritional battle for Caen. Some historians wrote that the British attack was a failure caused by a lack of conviction among some senior commanders; others judged the British force to be insufficiently strong for the task. (Full article...)
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- ... that, as minister, Simon de Graaff would receive daily shipments of documents by bicycle?
- ... that the Byzantine's weak defenses around the Lycus valley played a pivotal role in the fall of Constantinople?
- ... that a graphic novel for teens was among the 10 most challenged books in the United States in 2023?
- ... that the American band Grupo Frontera collaborated with the media franchise Transformers on a trailer to promote their second studio album?
- ... that if the Devizes Plot had been successful, 7,000 German prisoners of war would have escaped and attacked RAF Yatesbury?
- ... that Fredrick Wangabo Mwenengabo, a Congolese-Canadian anthropologist and human rights activist, survived being kidnapped and held for ransom in the Democratic Republic of the Congo?
- ... that when actress Joanna Lumley spent nine days on an uninhabited island for the 1994 TV show Girl Friday, she made a pair of shoes out of her bra?
- ... that John Wilson was expelled from the Arkansas House of Representatives for killing another representative in a knife fight, but was then re-elected two years later?
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- A plane crash in Mzimba, Malawi, kills ten people, including Vice President Saulos Chilima (pictured).
- In the Indian general election, the National Democratic Alliance, led by Prime Minister Narendra Modi, is re-elected with a reduced majority.
- The Boeing Starliner spacecraft conducts its first crewed flight, carrying two astronauts to the International Space Station.
- The CNSA Chang'e 6 completes sampling and takeoff from the far side of the Moon.
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- 1881 – The Jeannette expedition to reach the North Pole from the Pacific Ocean via the Bering Strait came to an end when the USS Jeannette (pictured) was finally crushed and sank after having been trapped in ice for almost two years.
- 1952 – Soviet aircraft shot down a Swedish military plane carrying out signals-intelligence gathering operations, followed three days later by the shootdown of a second plane searching for the first one.
- 1969 – Preston Smith, Governor of Texas, signed a law converting a research arm of Texas Instruments into the University of Texas at Dallas.
- 1996 – After an 81-day standoff sparked by their refusal to be evicted from their foreclosed property in Jordan, Montana, the Christian Patriot group Montana Freemen surrendered to the FBI.
- 2013 – Some of the closest advisors and collaborators of Czech prime minister Petr Nečas were arrested for corruption.
- Henry Middleton (d. 1784)
- Manuel Marques de Sousa, Count of Porto Alegre (b. 1804)
- Charles Algernon Parsons (b. 1854)
- Fran Allison (d. 1989)
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The Heart Nebula is an emission nebula, 7500 light years from Earth, located in the Perseus Arm of the Milky Way in the constellation Cassiopeia. It was discovered by William Herschel on 3 November 1787. Spanning almost 2 degrees in the sky, its shape is driven by stellar winds from the hot stars in its core. The nebula displays glowing ionized hydrogen gas and darker dust lanes, and is also made up of ionised oxygen and sulfur gasses, which cause rich blue and orange colours to be seen in narrowband images. This photograph of the Heart Nebula, with the Fish Head Nebula also visible in the top right corner, is a narrowband image captured on a 70mm scope with a capture period of around 44 hours. Photograph credit: Ram Samudrala
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The Spider was an American pulp magazine published by Popular Publications from 1933 to 1943. Every issue included a lead novel featuring the Spider, a heroic crime-fighter. The novels in the first two issues were written by R. T. M. Scott; thereafter every lead novel was credited to "Grant Stockbridge", a house name. Norvell Page, a prolific pulp author, wrote most of these. Unlike some contemporary pulp heroes, The Spider was willing to kill criminals, and when he did so he left a red spider inked on his victims. Page in particular wrote stories with violent storylines, often with science-fiction plot devices. Continuity from novel to novel was often disregarded, with characters killed in one issue appearing unscathed in later issues. Each magazine also featured short stories, occasionally including elements of horror fiction. Most of the cover art was painted by John Newton Howitt or Rafael de Soto. The magazine was cancelled in 1943 due to a paper shortage caused by World War II. (Full article...)
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- ... that Shagdarjavin Natsagdorj's remarks at an academic conference led to a communist purge and contributed to the Sino-Soviet split?
- ... that Pujol and Quintonil are the highest-rated restaurants in Mexico's first Michelin guide, with two Michelin stars each?
- ... that football player Peter Bowden only started long snapping to help his cousin, a punter, produce film in high school, and both are now in the National Football League?
- ... that the adjacent Jennings and Sloane Houses comprise New York City's largest single-family residence?
- ... that Arthur Fulton, his father and his son all won the Sovereign's Prize for rifle shooting?
- ... that the Asyikin–Brugman Treaty was revoked 11 days after being signed?
- ... that Shirley Warde not only starred in theater and movie productions, but also wrote playscripts and short stories for magazines?
- ... that in Thailand and Cambodia, cats are used in a procession to ask for rain?
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- In the Indian general election, the National Democratic Alliance, led by Prime Minister Narendra Modi, is re-elected with a reduced majority.
- The Boeing Starliner spacecraft conducts its first crewed flight, carrying two astronauts to the International Space Station.
- The CNSA Chang'e 6 completes sampling and takeoff from the far side of the Moon.
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- 1381 – During the Peasants' Revolt in England, rebels stormed the Tower of London, killing Simon Sudbury, Lord Chancellor, and Robert Hales, Lord High Treasurer (both pictured).
- 1644 – First English Civil War: Prince Maurice abandoned his siege of Lyme Regis in Dorset after learning of the approach of a Parliamentarian relief force.
- 1934 – The landmark Australian Eastern Mission concluded after a three-month diplomatic tour of East and South-East Asia.
- 1944 – Second World War: The British Army abandoned its attempt to capture the German-occupied city of Caen.
- 2014 – War in Donbas: An Ilyushin Il-76 transport aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force was shot down by forces of the self-proclaimed Luhansk People's Republic, killing all 49 people on board.
- Leonidas Polk (d. 1864)
- Emmeline Pankhurst (d. 1928)
- Heike Friedrich (b. 1976)
- Moon Tae-il (b. 1994)
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In England, buildings of particular architectural and/or historic interest can be given special protection through listing. Around 500,000 buildings are listed, at one of three grades; Grade I, the most important and applying to only 2.5% of all listed buildings, Grade II*, the next highest, and Grade II. The age of a building is relevant, very few buildings built less than 30 years ago are considered suitable for listing. Thus, no buildings completed in the 21st century have yet been listed. Those completed in the 20th century and given Grade I listing include cathedrals, churches, chapels, war memorials, houses, bridges, factories, galleries, university structures, animal enclosures and a bike shed. The most recent building to be designated Grade I is Colin St John Wilson's British Library, constructed between 1982 and 1999 and the newest designation is for the New House, Wadhurst Park by John Outram, listed in July 2020. The architect with most Grade I 20th-century buildings to their name is Edwin Lutyens, followed by Arne Jacobsen. (Full list...)
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The Heart Nebula is an emission nebula, 7500 light years from Earth, located in the Perseus Arm of the Milky Way in the constellation Cassiopeia. It was discovered by William Herschel on 3 November 1787. Spanning almost 2 degrees in the sky, its shape is driven by stellar winds from the hot stars in its core. The nebula displays glowing ionized hydrogen gas and darker dust lanes, and is also made up of ionised oxygen and sulfur gasses, which cause rich blue and orange colours to be seen in narrowband images. This photograph of the Heart Nebula, with the Fish Head Nebula also visible in the top right corner, is a narrowband image captured on a 70mm scope with a capture period of around 44 hours. Photograph credit: Ram Samudrala
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The Battle of Villers-Bocage took place in Normandy, France, on 13 June 1944 during World War II. Following the D-Day landings on 6 June, the Germans established defences in front of Caen. The British attacked to attempt to exploit a gap in the German defences west of the city. They reached Villers-Bocage without incident in the morning but were ambushed by Tiger I tanks as they left the town and numerous tanks, anti-tank guns and transport vehicles were destroyed. The Germans then attacked the town but were repulsed. The British withdrew west of Villers-Bocage that evening and repulsed another attack the next day. The British conduct in the battle was controversial because their withdrawal marked the end of the post–D-Day "scramble for ground" and the start of an attritional battle for Caen. Some historians wrote that the British attack was a failure caused by a lack of conviction among some senior commanders; others judged the British force to be insufficiently strong for the task. (Full article...)
The Spider was an American pulp magazine published by Popular Publications from 1933 to 1943. Every issue included a lead novel featuring the Spider, a heroic crime-fighter. The novels in the first two issues were written by R. T. M. Scott; thereafter every lead novel was credited to "Grant Stockbridge", a house name. Norvell Page, a prolific pulp author, wrote most of these. Unlike some contemporary pulp heroes, The Spider was willing to kill criminals, and when he did so he left a red spider inked on his victims. Page in particular wrote stories with violent storylines, often with science-fiction plot devices. Continuity from novel to novel was often disregarded, with characters killed in one issue appearing unscathed in later issues. Each magazine also featured short stories, occasionally including elements of horror fiction. Most of the cover art was painted by John Newton Howitt or Rafael de Soto. The magazine was cancelled in 1943 due to a paper shortage caused by World War II. (Full article...)
Kevin Gately died on 15 June 1974 as the result of a head injury received in the Red Lion Square public disorder in London while protesting against the National Front, a far-right, British fascist party. Gately, a 20-year-old student, was not a member of any organisation. On 15 June, the National Front held a march through central London in support of the expulsion of immigrants. A counter-demonstration was planned by Liberation, an anti-colonial pressure group. When the Liberation march reached Red Lion Square, the International Marxist Group twice charged the police cordon blocking access to Conway Hall (pictured). Police reinforcements forced the demonstrators out of the square. Gately was found unconscious on the ground. He was taken to hospital and died later that day. A public inquiry into the events was conducted by Lord Scarman, who found no evidence that Gately had been killed by the police, although he found fault with some police actions. There was further violence associated with National Front marches and the counter-demonstrations they faced, including in Birmingham, Manchester, and the East End of London (all in 1977), and in Southall in 1979, which led to the death of Blair Peach. (Full article...)
Whisky Galore! is a British comedy film produced by Ealing Studios and released on 16 June 1949, starring Basil Radford, Bruce Seton, Joan Greenwood and Gordon Jackson. The directorial debut of Alexander Mackendrick, it was based on the 1947 novel Whisky Galore by Compton Mackenzie (pictured), and written by Mackenzie and Angus MacPhail. Inspired by the 1941 wreck of the SS Politician, the story concerns a shipwreck off a fictional Scottish island. The islanders, who have run out of whisky because of wartime rationing, salvage cases of it from the ship, against the opposition of the local Customs and Excise men. Like other Ealing comedies, Whisky Galore! explores the actions of a small group facing and overcoming a more powerful opponent. The film was well received on release; renamed Tight Little Island, it became the first film from the studios to achieve box office success in the US. It was followed by Rockets Galore!, a sequel. A remake was released in 2016. (Full article...)
The Icelandic horse is a breed of horse developed in Iceland. Developed from ponies brought to Iceland by Norse settlers in the 9th and 10th centuries, the breed is mentioned in Icelandic literature and historical records. They are long-lived, hardy, and have few diseases in their native country. In addition to the gaits typical of other horse breeds, many Icelandic horses can also do the tölt (pictured) and the flying pace. The only breed of horse in Iceland, sizable populations exist in Europe and North America. They are used for sheepherding work in Iceland, leisure, showing, and racing. Selective breeding and natural selection with the Icelandic climate developed them into their current form. In the 1780s, much of the breed was killed after a volcanic eruption at Laki. The first breed society for the Icelandic horse was created in Iceland in 1904; the breed is now represented by organizations in 19 nations organized under the International Federation of Icelandic Horse Associations. (Full article...)
A planet is a large, rounded astronomical body that is neither a star nor a stellar remnant. The archetypal examples are eight planets in the Solar System (all pictured): the four terrestrials, Mercury, Venus, Earth, and Mars; and the four giant planets, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune. The term was initially used to denote the Sun, the Moon, and the five naked-eye planets that move across the background of the stars: they historically were seen as having associations with the gods. As scientific knowledge advanced, human perception of the planets changed. Copernicus suggested that the planets orbited the Sun and that the Earth was itself a planet, and the development of the telescope led to a broadening of the definition to accommodate other discoveries within and beyond the Solar System. Many extrasolar planets display features unseen in the Solar System. The International Astronomical Union defines a planet in the Solar System to have cleared its neighbourhood of other bodies, and that extrasolar planets should orbit stars and not be large enough to support deuterium fusion; however, many planetary scientists continue to apply the word "planet" more broadly, including dwarf planets, planetary-mass moons, rogue planets, and brown dwarfs. (Full article...)
The 1964 European Nations' Cup final in football was held at the Santiago Bernabéu Stadium (pictured) in Madrid on 21 June 1964, to decide the winner of the 1964 European Nations' Cup (now the UEFA European Football Championship). The match was contested by Spain and the Soviet Union, the defending champions. En route to the final, Spain defeated Romania, Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland over two-legged ties before beating Hungary in the semi-final. The Soviet Union received a bye in the qualifying round before beating Italy, Sweden and Denmark. In the sixth minute, Marcelino dispossessed Valentin Ivanov and crossed for Chus Pereda, who scored to give Spain a 1–0 lead. Two minutes later, Viktor Anichkin passed to Galimzyan Khusainov, who equalised. With six minutes remaining, Pereda beat Anichkin and played in a cross which Viktor Shustikov failed to clear, before Marcelino headed the winning goal inside the near post. Spain won 2–1 to claim their first European Championship title. (Full article...)
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- 1881 – The Jeannette expedition to reach the North Pole from the Pacific Ocean via the Bering Strait came to an end when the USS Jeannette (pictured) was finally crushed and sank after having been trapped in ice for almost two years.
- 1952 – Soviet aircraft shot down a Swedish military plane carrying out signals-intelligence gathering operations, followed three days later by the shootdown of a second plane searching for the first one.
- 1969 – Preston Smith, Governor of Texas, signed a law converting a research arm of Texas Instruments into the University of Texas at Dallas.
- 1996 – After an 81-day standoff sparked by their refusal to be evicted from their foreclosed property in Jordan, Montana, the Christian Patriot group Montana Freemen surrendered to the FBI.
- 2013 – Some of the closest advisors and collaborators of Czech prime minister Petr Nečas were arrested for corruption.
- Henry Middleton (d. 1784)
- Manuel Marques de Sousa, Count of Porto Alegre (b. 1804)
- Charles Algernon Parsons (b. 1854)
- Fran Allison (d. 1989)
- 1381 – During the Peasants' Revolt in England, rebels stormed the Tower of London, killing Simon Sudbury, Lord Chancellor, and Robert Hales, Lord High Treasurer (both pictured).
- 1644 – First English Civil War: Prince Maurice abandoned his siege of Lyme Regis in Dorset after learning of the approach of a Parliamentarian relief force.
- 1934 – The landmark Australian Eastern Mission concluded after a three-month diplomatic tour of East and South-East Asia.
- 1944 – Second World War: The British Army abandoned its attempt to capture the German-occupied city of Caen.
- 2014 – War in Donbas: An Ilyushin Il-76 transport aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force was shot down by forces of the self-proclaimed Luhansk People's Republic, killing all 49 people on board.
- Leonidas Polk (d. 1864)
- Emmeline Pankhurst (d. 1928)
- Heike Friedrich (b. 1976)
- Moon Tae-il (b. 1994)
June 15: Day of Arafah (Islam, 2024); King's Official Birthday in the United Kingdom (2024)
- 1215 – King John of England and a group of rebel barons agreed on the text of Magna Carta, an influential charter of rights.
- 1520 – Pope Leo X issued the papal bull Exsurge Domine, censuring 41 propositions from Martin Luther's Ninety-five Theses and subsequent writings, and threatening him with excommunication unless he recanted.
- 1921 – Bessie Coleman (pictured) became the first Black person to earn an international pilot's license from the Fédération Aéronautique Internationale.
- 1995 – Western Greece was struck by an earthquake registering 6.4–6.5 Mw that killed 26 people.
- 2006 – US president George W. Bush designated 140,000 square miles (360,000 km2) around the Northwestern Hawaiian Islands as the Papahānaumokuākea Marine National Monument, now one of the world's largest protected areas.
- Lisa del Giocondo (b. 1479)
- Mehmed Rashid Pasha (d. 1876)
- Miriam Soljak (b. 1879)
- Xi Jinping (b. 1953)
June 16: First day of Eid al-Adha (Islam, 2024)
- 1407 – Ming forces conquered Đại Ngu in modern-day northern Vietnam, capturing Hồ dynasty emperor Hồ Quý Ly and bringing the country under Chinese rule.
- 1632 – The Plymouth Company granted a land patent to Thomas Purchase, who became the first permanent European settler of Pejepscot, Maine.
- 1936 – A Junkers Ju 52 aircraft of Norwegian Air Lines crashed into a mountainside near Hyllestad, Norway, killing all seven people on board.
- 1963 – Aboard Vostok 6, Soviet cosmonaut Valentina Tereshkova (pictured) became the first woman in space.
- 2016 – Jo Cox, a British Member of Parliament, was murdered in her constituency.
- Tomás Yepes (d. 1674)
- Barbara McClintock (b. 1902)
- Margaret Bondfield (d. 1953)
- Helmut Kohl (d. 2017)
- 653 – Pope Martin I was arrested in the Lateran Palace, Rome, and taken to Constantinople.
- 1631 – Mumtaz Mahal (pictured), wife of the Mughal emperor Shah Jahan, died in childbirth; Jahan spent the next seventeen years constructing her mausoleum, the Taj Mahal.
- 1913 – In Detroit, autoworkers for car manufacturer Studebaker went on strike in the American auto industry's first major strike action.
- 1963 – Riots broke out in Saigon one day after the signing of the Joint Communiqué, an attempt to resolve the Buddhist crisis in South Vietnam.
- 2017 – Wildfires erupted across central Portugal, eventually causing the deaths of 66 people.
- Bolesław I the Brave (d. 1025)
- J. H. Hobart Ward (b. 1823)
- Carmen Casco de Lara Castro (b. 1918)
- Ankita Bhakat (b. 1998)
- 618 – Sui–Tang transition: Chinese governor Li Yuan (pictured) declared himself emperor, establishing the Tang dynasty.
- 860 – Rus' forces sailed into the Bosporus in a fleet of about 200 vessels and started pillaging the suburbs of Constantinople.
- 1858 – Charles Darwin received a manuscript by fellow naturalist Alfred Russel Wallace on natural selection, which encouraged him to publish his own theory of evolution.
- 1953 – A Douglas C-124 Globemaster II aircraft crashed just after takeoff from Tachikawa, Japan, killing all 129 people on board.
- 1983 – Iranian teenager Mona Mahmudnizhad and nine other women were hanged in Shiraz because of their membership in the Baháʼí Faith.
- William Lassell (b. 1799)
- Abdollah Mirza Qajar (d. 1846)
- Queen Olga of Greece (d. 1926)
- Gail Godwin (b. 1937)
June 19: Juneteenth in the United States (1865)
- 1718 – An earthquake on the Tibetan Plateau led to the deaths of more than 73,000 people.
- 1838 – The Jesuits' Maryland province contracted to sell 272 slaves to buyers in Louisiana in one of the largest slave sales in American history.
- 1953 – Americans Julius and Ethel Rosenberg (pictured) were executed as spies for passing nuclear weapons secrets to the Soviet Union.
- 1965 – Nguyễn Cao Kỳ, the commander of the South Vietnam Air Force, was appointed prime minister at the head of a military regime.
- 1987 – Basque separatist group ETA detonated a car bomb at the Hipercor shopping centre in Barcelona, killing 21 people and injuring 45 others.
- Piers Gaveston, 1st Earl of Cornwall (d. 1312)
- Wallis Simpson (b. 1896)
- Doris Sands Johnson (b. 1921)
- Jörg Widmann (b. 1973)
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The Heart Nebula is an emission nebula, 7500 light years from Earth, located in the Perseus Arm of the Milky Way in the constellation Cassiopeia. It was discovered by William Herschel on 3 November 1787. Spanning almost 2 degrees in the sky, its shape is driven by stellar winds from the hot stars in its core. The nebula displays glowing ionized hydrogen gas and darker dust lanes, and is also made up of ionised oxygen and sulfur gasses, which cause rich blue and orange colours to be seen in narrowband images. This photograph of the Heart Nebula, with the Fish Head Nebula also visible in the top right corner, is a narrowband image captured on a 70mm scope with a capture period of around 44 hours. Photograph credit: Ram Samudrala
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- ... that sisters Talia and Tori DellaPeruta (both pictured), college teammates at North Carolina, play soccer professionally for Sampdoria?
- ... that, as minister, Simon de Graaff would receive daily shipments of documents by bicycle?
- ... that the Byzantine's weak defenses around the Lycus valley played a pivotal role in the fall of Constantinople?
- ... that a graphic novel for teens was among the 10 most challenged books in the United States in 2023?
- ... that the American band Grupo Frontera collaborated with the media franchise Transformers on a trailer to promote their second studio album?
- ... that if the Devizes Plot had been successful, 7,000 German prisoners of war would have escaped and attacked RAF Yatesbury?
- ... that Fredrick Wangabo Mwenengabo, a Congolese-Canadian anthropologist and human rights activist, survived being kidnapped and held for ransom in the Democratic Republic of the Congo?
- ... that when actress Joanna Lumley spent nine days on an uninhabited island for the 1994 TV show Girl Friday, she made a pair of shoes out of her bra?
- ... that John Wilson was expelled from the Arkansas House of Representatives for killing another representative in a knife fight, but was then re-elected two years later?
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- ... that American abolitionists co-opted the concept of Southern chivalry (caricature pictured) as an insult against pro-slavery white Southerners?
- ... that Shagdarjavin Natsagdorj's remarks at an academic conference led to a communist purge and contributed to the Sino-Soviet split?
- ... that Pujol and Quintonil are the highest-rated restaurants in Mexico's first Michelin guide, with two Michelin stars each?
- ... that football player Peter Bowden only started long snapping to help his cousin, a punter, produce film in high school, and both are now in the National Football League?
- ... that the adjacent Jennings and Sloane Houses comprise New York City's largest single-family residence?
- ... that Arthur Fulton, his father and his son all won the Sovereign's Prize for rifle shooting?
- ... that the Asyikin–Brugman Treaty was revoked 11 days after being signed?
- ... that Shirley Warde not only starred in theater and movie productions, but also wrote playscripts and short stories for magazines?
- ... that in Thailand and Cambodia, cats are used in a procession to ask for rain?
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- ... that according to legend, the invention of Chinese characters (examples pictured) caused grain to rain from the sky and ghosts and demons to wail in frustration?
- ... that Alexandru Talex was described as "the gentlest" member of a Romanian far-right organization?
- ... that "Human Sacrifice", a track on the 2024 album Atavista, could be heard in a 2019 Google Pixel advertisement?
- ... that a mob in Lunenburg, Nova Scotia, detained Jean Pettrequin and searched for Sebastian Zouberbuhler because of a letter?
- ... that although it was never built, Lynn Conway notes that IBM's ASC-1 would have been the premier supercomputer of the era?
- ... that lacrosse player Caitlyn Wurzburger committed to a college program at the age of 14?
- ... that while filming the Doctor Who episode "Boom" some takes lasted up to seven minutes?
- ... that Mike Gorman spent 43 consecutive years as the television play-by-play commentator for the Boston Celtics?
- ... that the Armenian Radio jokes are neither about radio nor are they Armenian?
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- ... that George Kunkel (pictured) portrayed a mountaineer in The Chalice of Courage (1915), the first film to depict assisted suicide?
- ... that Uhtred became Earl of Bamburgh after his victory at the siege of Durham, even though his father seems to have still been living?
- ... that Eddie Halliwell was voted into the top 20 of the DJ Mag poll of the most popular disc jockeys for four consecutive years?
- ... that in the year after its establishment, the provincial legislature of Bali annulled all local laws banning inter-caste marriage?
- ... that Northwestern women's lacrosse player Izzy Scane led the country in points, missed a season with a torn ACL, then led the country in points again?
- ... that a 2018 documentary film explores blockchain as a means to give stateless refugees official identities?
- ... that academic Bunny Mellor served as a secret agent alongside Peter Fleming?
- ... that the budget for the first season of The Last of Us exceeded that of each of the first five seasons of Game of Thrones?
- ... that the North Korean propaganda song "Friendly Father" went viral on TikTok, with some users comparing it to songs by ABBA?
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- ... that the Henry Street salamander tunnels (pictured) in Amherst, Massachusetts, were the first amphibian tunnels in the United States?
- ... that Joe Shield was the first person from Vermont to be drafted into the NFL and then make a team's roster?
- ... that codebreaker Emily Anderson was trained to become a Hush WAAC before she joined the British GCHQ?
- ... that actress Mia Goth was cast as both Pearl and Maxine in X to emphasize the similarities between the two characters?
- ... that making manganese nitride alloys requires a sponge?
- ... that AI researcher Jan Leike believes "safety culture and processes have taken a backseat to shiny products" at OpenAI?
- ... that Zombie Plane cannot take flight from Chuck Norris?
- ... that Two Roosters Ice Cream became locally popular after offering odd flavors such as "grilled cheese" and "pizza"?
- ... that Drake discovered an ancient Chinese city?
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- ... that the CBeebies presenter George Webster (pictured) has "effervescence, bubbly charm, a quick wit", and "an extra chromosome"?
- ... that the ancient Homeric Hymns influenced the works of James Joyce, Alfred Hitchcock and Neil Gaiman?
- ... that Jasprit Bumrah holds the record for scoring the highest number of runs in a single over in Test cricket?
- ... that the Natives Representative Council held meetings in school halls?
- ... that Kenji Tanigaki, the action director of Rurouni Kenshin and Snake Eyes: G.I. Joe Origins, began his career as a stuntman on the invitation of action choreographer Stephen Tung?
- ... that after presenting a televised singing contest won by Sarah Geronimo, Regine Velasquez co-headlined a concert with her?
- ... that Qin Huasun criticized Taiwan's bid to join the United Nations as a "brazen attempt [...] at splitting a sovereign state"?
- ... that Don Hutson and Forrest Gregg were the only Green Bay Packers' players selected for all three NFL All-Anniversary Teams?
- ... that the police horse Utter served with the Stockholm police for over 23 years, participating in 515 changings of the Royal Guards?
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- ... that the Amen break (waveform pictured) gained popularity because it offered an easy way to create jungle music?
- ... that the execution of Burkinabé trade union leader Soumane Touré was prevented by the intervention of his childhood friend, then-president Thomas Sankara?
- ... that The Amazing Digital Circus is influenced by the short story "I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream"?
- ... that Jaelyn Brown, who was born with two club feet, now plays in the WNBA?
- ... that the U.S. Department of Labor recorded 583 sitdown strikes in the U.S. between 1936 and 1939, affecting half a million workers?
- ... that Vasantha Krishna Prasad was the richest candidate from Krishna district contesting the 2019 Andhra Pradesh Legislative Assembly election?
- ... that Megan Abbott receives the most negative letters from readers for The End of Everything?
- ... that volleyball player Madisen Skinner beat Texas in one national championship final – then won two national championships with Texas?
- ... that Pizza Hut’s most expensive pizza was a weighted blanket?
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- ... that until 2017, Minnesota State Highway 36 used a lift bridge to cross the St. Croix River?
- ... that the classicist Adam Parry said that he had only ever considered three careers: academia, law and beachcombing?
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- ... that the Nabisco Shredded Wheat Factory was marketed as a tourist destination because of its cleanliness?
- ... that Bills plays for the Bills?
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Phoolan Devi
Phoolan Devi (1963–2001), popularly known as the Bandit Queen, was an Indian dacoit (bandit) who later became a politician. She was a woman of the Mallah subcaste who grew up in poverty in the state of Uttar Pradesh, where her parents lost a land dispute. After being married off at the age of eleven and being sexually abused by various people, she joined a gang of dacoits which robbed higher-caste villages and held up trains and vehicles. When she became its leader, she punished her rapists and evaded capture by the authorities, making her a heroine for the Other Backward Classes. She was charged in absentia for the 1981 Behmai massacre, in which twenty Thakur men were executed, allegedly on her command. After this event, the Chief Minister of Uttar Pradesh resigned, and calls to apprehend her were amplified. She surrendered two years later and spent eleven years in Gwalior prison awaiting trial, then was released in 1994 after her charges were set aside. She was subsequently elected as a member of parliament for the Samajwadi Party in 1996. She lost her seat in 1998 and regained it the following year; she was the incumbent in 2001, when she was assassinated outside her home in New Delhi. Her worldwide fame had grown after the release of the controversial 1994 film Bandit Queen, which she did not approve of. There are varying accounts of her life because she told differing versions to suit her changing circumstances. (Full article...)
- Most recent similar article(s): Last woman: Anna Blackburne Last underclass person: The boy Jones Last Asian article: Take Ichi convoy
- Main editors: Mujinga
- Promoted: November 18, 2023
- Reasons for nomination: Marks date of death
- Support as nominator. Mujinga (talk) 20:52, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Mujinga: this has 1,440 characters, wayyyyy above the recommended limit, which is between 925 and 1025 characters. Reduce this. 750h+ 08:01, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
For image, ideally we'd like the person, but it appears copyrighted. But how about the image of Seema Biswas portraying her in the film Bandit Queen instead? It's an actress portraying that person so it's better than nothing. Harizotoh9 (talk) 04:59, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- Yes the image on the article is fair use only. I considered the Biswas pic but personally I'd rather have no pic. Mujinga (talk) 11:50, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Gog the Mild (talk) 16:28, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Mujinga: Two problems: lack of an image (any image that will keep the Main Page people happy would work for me, it doesn't have to be an image of her), and we don't usually do death anniversaries at TFA. This is a hard call for me, but if there's no image, that makes it an easy call. - Dank (push to talk) 22:38, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Dank thanks for the message - I didn't know death anniversaries weren't a thing and to be honest I'm not really into marking dates anyway so I'd be fine with another date (I went for July 25 because people at TFA seem in my experience to prefer a date with resonance, if there's any actual guidance on this I'd love to read it). Or we could go to August 10 her brith date if that's better? On the image, I'd like to push back a bit since this was not an issue with for example Olive Morris at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/June 16, 2022, I don't think it even came up. It's a reflection of systemic bias that we do not have many free to use photographs of women from the majority world, particularly working class / underclass one, so I'm not interested to include a photo just for the sake of a photo and it was hard enough trying to illustrate the article at all. Having said all that, I could ask around (again) at some relevant wikiprojects. Mujinga (talk) 10:16, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Try also asking at Wikipedia:WikiProject Resource Exchange/Resource Requests Gog the Mild (talk) 13:00, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Just read this ... I agree about systemic bias being a problem. Gog will be scheduling August and has agreed to take a look at this one for next month. I can tick off several boxes at the same time here (summer film, balance, etc.) by running Nil Battey Sannata ... I was involved a bit when that made it through FAC back in 2017. I hope you like that article as much as I did. - Dank (push to talk) 12:28, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Moving forwards, I've asked at Wikipedia_talk:Noticeboard_for_India-related_topics#Phoolan_Devi, Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red#Phoolan_Devi_(again) and Wikipedia:WikiProject_Resource_Exchange/Resource_Request#Image_for_Phoolan_Devi if anyone can help with an image. Gog the Mild should I now shift this to August or leave it to you? I realise I'm unsure of the protocol here. Thanks! Mujinga (talk) 13:47, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- I moved it to the "no specific date" section of TFAR, but left it up, so in that sense, it's already been shifted to the August requests. - Dank (push to talk) 13:58, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
Running on Aug 10th would make the most sense, and to pic an image, any image. The photograph of the actress who played her in the 1994 is one option. Some compromizes have to be made somewhere. Harizotoh9 (talk) 03:00, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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Specific date nominations
August 8
Albert Stanley, 1st Baron Ashfield
Albert Stanley, 1st Baron Ashfield was managing director and chairman of the Underground Electric Railways Company of London (UERL) from 1910 to 1933, and chairman of the London Passenger Transport Board (LPTB) from 1933 to 1947. At a young age, he held senior positions in the tramway systems of Detroit and New Jersey. In 1907 he was recruited by the UERL, where he integrated the company's management and used advertising and public relations to improve profits. As managing director of the UERL from 1910, he led the take-over of competing companies and operations to form Combine, an integrated transport operation. He was Member of parliament for Ashton-under-Lyne from 1916 to 1920 and President of the Board of Trade between 1916 and 1919. He returned to the UERL and then chaired it and its successor the LPTB during the organisation's greatest period of expansion between the two World Wars, making it an exemplar of the best form of public administration. (Full article...)
- Most recent similar article(s): Marshfield station, a public transit article, was TFA April 4
- Main editors: DavidCane
- Promoted: December 12, 2010
- Reasons for nomination: 150th birthday. This is a TFA re-run from 2011
- Support as nominator. Z1720 (talk) 14:44, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support as original author. DavidCane (talk) 20:38, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
August 12
Worlds (Porter Robinson album)
Worlds is the debut studio album by American electronic music producer Porter Robinson, released on August 12, 2014, by Astralwerks. Initially known for his heavier bass-centric production, Robinson became increasingly dissatisfied with the electronic dance music (EDM) genre, believing it limited his artistic expression. Following the release of his 2012 single "Language", Robinson decided to prioritize aesthetic and emotional qualities in his work, taking inspiration from media that evoked nostalgia for his childhood and integrating elements taken from anime, films, and sounds from 1990s video games. Worlds was well-received by most critics, who praised it as innovative and forecasted a promising career for Robinson, though others felt the record lacked coherence or was unexciting. The album has been retrospectively noted for its impact on the EDM scene. (Full article...)
- Most recent similar article(s): The Ecstatic runs on June 9
- Main editors: Skyshifter and TechnoSquirrel69
- Promoted: May 28, 2024
- Reasons for nomination: Tenth anniversary of release
- Support as nominator. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 03:30, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support as a main editor. Skyshiftertalk 16:14, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Twotwicetalk 22:38, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support - Mujinga (talk) 16:59, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
August 13
Flag of Japan
The national flag of Japan is a white rectangular flag with a large red disc (representing the sun) in the center. It is officially called Nisshōki in Japanese, but more commonly known as the Hinomaru. Although considered the de facto flag, it was designated as Japan's national flag on August 13, 1999. In early Japanese history, the Hinomaru motif was used on flags of daimyos and samurai. During the Meiji Restoration both the sun disc and the Rising Sun Ensign were symbols in the Japanese empire. Use of the Hinomaru was restricted during the American occupation after World War II, but was later relaxed. The flag is not frequently displayed due to its association with extreme nationalism. For nations occupied by Japan, the flag is a symbol of aggression and imperialism. Despite negative connotations, Western and Japanese sources claim the flag is an enduring symbol to the Japanese. (This article is part of a featured topic: Act on National Flag and Anthem (Japan).)
- Most recent similar article(s): Flag of Canada will be TFA on July 1
- Main editors: Zscout370
- Promoted: March 8, 2010
- Reasons for nomination: 25th anniversary of adoption as the official national flag of Japan. TFA re-run from 2010
- Support as nominator. Z1720 (talk) 22:35, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment some of the Japanese references look suspicious, there is a page needed tag, and an chunk of unreferenced text in the "Hinomaru Yosegaki" section. 750h+ 06:04, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
August 29
Michael Jackson
Michael Jackson (1958–2009) was an American recording artist, entertainer, and philanthropist. He debuted on the professional music scene as a member of the Jackson 5 and began a solo career in 1971 while still a member of the group. Referred to as the "King of Pop" in subsequent years, Jackson became an influential figure in popular music and the first African-American to have a strong crossover following on MTV. He donated and raised hundreds of millions of dollars for beneficial causes, and is recognized by Guinness World Records for supporting more charities than any other musician. Other aspects of Jackson's life—including his changing appearance and personal relationships—generated controversy. Jackson's achievements include multiple world records—including one for "Most Successful Entertainer of All Time"—the estimated sale of over 750 million albums worldwide, and dozens of awards, which have made him the most awarded recording artist in the history of music. (Full article...)
- Most recent similar article(s):
- Main editors: Synthwave.94, Theknine2, MarchOrDie
- Promoted: July 28, 2008
- Reasons for nomination: 66 years since his birth
- Support as nominator. 750h+ 12:21, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. Consider waiting for his 75th birth anniversary or 25th death anniversary, and that would be better for a re-run. ScarletViolet (talk • contribs) 13:44, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- 75th birthday is in nine years and 25th death anniversary is in eleven.. 750h+ 14:49, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
August 31
Rachelle Ann Go
Rachelle Ann Go (born August 31, 1986) is a Filipino singer and actress. Known primarily for her work in theater, she has starred in musicals on Broadway and in the West End. She began her career as a pop artist in her native country after winning the television talent show Search for a Star (2003). She has since released five studio albums and a live album. Go started her theater career in the Philippines playing the lead roles of Ariel in The Little Mermaid (2011) and Jane Porter in Tarzan (2013). Her international breakthrough came when she was cast as Gigi Van Tranh in the West End revival of Miss Saigon in 2014, reprising the part on Broadway in 2017. She gained further recognition for her portrayal of Eliza Schuyler in the original 2017 West End production of Hamilton. Go has also played Fantine in various stagings and tours of Les Misérables. Outside of music, she had roles in the television series Diva (2010), Nita Negrita (2011), Biritera (2012), and Indio (2013). (Full article...)
- Most recent similar article(s): Most recent singer biography was Kathleen Ferrier on April 22, 2024. Most recent Filipino biogprahy was Angel Aquino on February 7, 2024.
- Main editors: Pseud 14
- Promoted: May 2, 2024
- Reasons for nomination: 38th birthday
- Support as nominator. Pseud 14 (talk) 18:12, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Mujinga (talk) 19:09, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support ~ Pbritti (talk) 04:35, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support 750h+ 06:00, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
The TFAR requests page is currently accepting nominations from August 1 to August 31. Articles for dates beyond then can be listed here, but please note that doing so does not count as a nomination and does not guarantee selection.
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August 11 | Yugoslav torpedo boat T2 | Why | Peacemaker67 | |
August 19 | Battle of Winwick | Why | Gog the Mild | |
August 25 | 24th Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Karstjäger (rerun, first TFA was August 15, 2016) | Why | Peacemaker67 | |
August 26 | Hundred Years' War, 1345–1347 | Why | Gog the Mild | |
August 30 | Segundo Romance | Why | Erick | Harizotoh9 |
August 31 | Rachelle Ann Go | Why | Pseud 14 | |
September | Avenue Range Station massacre | Why (rerun, first TFA was September 3, 2018) | Peacemaker67 | |
September 6 | Liz Truss | Why | Tim O'Doherty | Sheila1988 ... but see below, July 26, 2025 |
September 16 | 13th Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Handschar (1st Croatian) (rerun, first TFA was April 23, 2014) | Why | Peacemaker67 | |
September 21 | Artur Phleps | Why (rerun, first TFA was November 29, 2013) | Peacemaker67 | |
October | Dobroslav Jevđević | Why (re-run, first TFA was March 9, 2013) | Peacemaker67 | |
October 1 | The Founding Ceremony of the Nation | Why | Wehwalt | |
October 4 | Olmec colossal heads | Why | Simon Burchell | Dank |
October 11 | Funerary art | Why | Johnbod | Dank |
October 14 | Brandenburg-class battleship | Why | Parsecboy | Parsecboy and Dank |
October 15 | Battle of Glasgow, Missouri | Why | HF | |
October 17 | 23rd Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Kama (2nd Croatian) (re-run, first TFA was June 19, 2014) | Why | Peacemaker67 | |
October 19 | "Bad Romance" | Why | FrB.TG | |
October 21 | Takin' It Back | Why | MaranoFan | |
October 22 | The Dark Pictures Anthology: House of Ashes | Why | Your Power, ZooBlazer | |
October 25 | Fusō-class battleship | Why | Sturmvogel_66 and Dank | Peacemaker67 |
October 25 | Katy Perry | Why | SNUGGUMS | 750h+ |
October 29 | 1921 Centre vs. Harvard football game | Why | PCN02WPS | |
October 30 | Cucurbita | Why | Sminthopsis84 and Chiswick Chap | Dank |
October 31 | The Smashing Pumpkins | Why | WesleyDodds | Dank |
November | Yugoslav destroyer Ljubljana | Why | Peacemaker67 | |
November 3 | 1964 Illinois House of Representatives election | Why | Elli | |
November 6 | Russian battleship Poltava (1894) | Why | Harizotoh9 | |
November 11 | Mells War Memorial | Why | HJ Mitchell | Ham II |
November 17 | SMS Friedrich Carl | Why | Parsecboy | Peacemaker67 |
November 18 | Donkey Kong Country | Why | TheJoebro64, Jaguar | TheJoebro64 |
November 21 | MLS Cup 1999 | Why | SounderBruce | |
November 22 | Donkey Kong 64 | Why | czar | |
November 27 | Interstate 182 | Why | SounderBruce | |
November 28 | Battle of Cane Hill | Why | Hog Farm | |
December 3 | PlayStation (console) | Why | Jaguar | Dank |
December 13 | Taylor Swift | Why (rerun, first TFA was August 23, 2019) | Ronherry | FrB.TG, Ticklekeys, SNUGGUMS |
December 19 | SMS Niobe | Why | Peacemaker67 | |
December 20 | Sonic the Hedgehog 2 | Why | TheJoebro64 | Sheila1988 |
December 25 | A Very Trainor Christmas | Why | MaranoFan | Sheila1988 |
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January 6 | Maria Trubnikova | Why | Ganesha811 | Dank |
January 8 | Elvis Presley | Why | PL290, DocKino, Rikstar | Dank |
January 9 | Title (album) | Why | MaranoFan | |
January 22 | Caitlin Clark | Why | Sportzeditz | Dank |
January 27 | The Holocaust in Bohemia and Moravia | Why | Harizotoh9 | |
January 29 | Dominik Hašek | Why | Harizotoh9 | |
March 18 | Edward the Martyr | Why | Amitchell125 | Sheila1988 |
March 26 | Pierre Boulez | Why | Dmass | Sheila1988 |
April 12 | Dolly de Leon | Why | Pseud 14 | |
April 18 | Battle of Poison Spring | Why | HF | |
April 25 | 1925 FA Cup Final | Why | Kosack | Dank |
May | 21st Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Skanderbeg (1st Albanian) (re-run, first TFA was May 14, 2015) | Why | Peacemaker67 | |
May 1 | Abu Nidal | Why | Harizotoh9 | |
May 5 | Me Too (Meghan Trainor song) | Why | MaranoFan | |
May 6 | Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories | Why | Harizotoh9 | |
June 1 | Total Recall (1990 film) | Why | Harizotoh9 | |
June 8 | Barbara Bush | Why | Harizotoh9 | |
July 1 | Maple syrup | Why | Nikkimaria | Dank |
July 7 | Gustav Mahler | Why | Brianboulton | Dank |
July 14 | William Hanna | Why | Rlevse | Dank |
July 26 | Liz Truss | Why | Tim O'Doherty | Tim O'Doherty and Dank |
July 31 | Battle of Warsaw (1705) | Why | Imonoz | Harizotoh9 |
August 23 | Yugoslav torpedo boat T3 | Why | Peacemaker67 | |
August 30 | Late Registration | Why | Harizotoh9 | |
August 31 | Japanese battleship Yamato | Why | Harizotoh9 | |
September 5 | Peter Sellers | Why | Harizotoh9 | |
September 9 | Animaniacs | Why | Harizotoh9 | |
September 21 | Ico | Why | Harizotoh9 | |
September 30 or October 1 | Hoover Dam | Why | NortyNort, Wehwalt | Dank |
October 1 | Yugoslav torpedo boat T4 | Why | Peacemaker67 | |
October 3 | Spaghetti House siege | Why | SchroCat | Dank |
October 10 | Tragic Kingdom | Why | EA Swyer | Harizotoh9 |
October 16 | Angela Lansbury | Why | Midnightblueowl | MisawaSakura |
October 18 | Royal Artillery Memorial | Why | HJ Mitchell | Ham II |
November 1 | Matanikau Offensive | Why | Harizotoh9 | |
November 20 | Nuremberg trials | Why | buidhe | harizotoh9 |
November 21 | Canoe River train crash | Why | Wehwalt |
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List of Colorado ballot measures
The U.S. state of Colorado has had a system of direct voting since gaining statehood in 1876. Citizens and the Colorado General Assembly both have the ability to place new legislation, those recently passed by the General Assembly, and constitutional amendments on the ballot for a popular vote. Colorado has three types of ballot measures that can be voted on in a statewide election: initiatives, referendums, and legislatively referred measures. The first successful citizen-initiated measures were passed in 1912. Since that time, ballot measures have played a major role in Colorado politics. After Denver was awarded the hosting rights to the 1976 Winter Olympics, citizens moved to block funding the games with a ballot measure in 1972. A 1990 ballot measure instituting term limits for many elected officials helped galvanize a nationwide movement for term limits, and 2000's Amendment 20 legalized the medical use of marijuana. That measure was followed by full decriminalization in 2012 and the decriminalization of psilocybin mushrooms in 2022. (Full list...)
I would suggest August 1, 2024 to coincide with Colorado's 148th anniversary of statehood. ThadeusOfNazereth(he/him)Talk to Me! 12:19, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
- @ThadeusOfNazereth: Note that August 1 is a Thursday; this could be run on August 2 (Friday) instead, or postponed to next year when August 1 is a Friday since it seems like this is lining up with just a "regular" anniversary instead of a "major" anniversary (like 20 years, 50, 100, etc.). RunningTiger123 (talk) 20:46, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- @RunningTiger123: Thanks for the ping. I'd rather it run sooner rather than later so I am fine with August 2, 2024. In 52 years I'll make sure to renominate for the 200th anniversary, though! ThadeusOfNazereth(he/him)Talk to Me!
Grammy Award for Best Hard Rock Performance
The Grammy Award for Best Hard Rock Performance was an award presented at the Grammy Awards to recording artists for works (songs or albums) containing quality vocal performances in the hard rock genre. The honor was first presented to Living Colour (pictured) at the 32nd Annual Grammy Awards (1990) for the song "Cult of Personality". The bands Foo Fighters, Living Colour, and the Smashing Pumpkins share the record for the most wins, with two each. Alice in Chains holds the record for the most nominations without a win, with eight. (Full list...)
Thanks for your consideration! ---Another Believer (Talk) 01:58, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
Basshunter discography
Basshunter, a Swedish singer, record producer and DJ, has released five studio albums, two compilation albums, 30 singles, five promotional singles and seven remixes. The Bassmachine, Basshunter's debut studio album, was released by Alex Music on 25 August 2004. In April 2006, he signed his first contract with Extensive Music and Warner Music Sweden. His single "Boten Anna" charted at number one on the Danish singles chart, where it stayed for fourteen weeks; it was certified triple platinum by IFPI Danmark. "Boten Anna" also reached number one in the Swedish singles chart and was certified platinum by IFPI Sverige. His second studio album LOL, released on 28 August 2006, charted in the top five in Sweden, Denmark and Finland. The album was certified platinum by IFPI Finland and double platinum by IFPI Danmark. In late 2006, Basshunter released his albums The Bassmachine and The Old Shit through his own website. Basshunter's third single "Vi sitter i Ventrilo och spelar DotA" was certified gold by IFPI Danmark. Basshunter collaborated with the duo Patrik & Lillen on his single "Vifta med händerna". (Full list...)
I would suggest 25 August 2024 for 20 years of The Bassmachine release. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eurohunter (talk • contribs) 12:45, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
- Note that 25 August is a Sunday; this could be run on 23 August (Friday) or 26 August (Monday). RunningTiger123 (talk) 20:33, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Eurohunter: pinging for previous comment. RunningTiger123 (talk) 20:50, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- @RunningTiger123: I think 26 August (Monday) would be a good time. Eurohunter (talk) 18:51, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
AC/DC discography
Australian rock band AC/DC have released 18 studio albums, two soundtrack albums, three live albums, one extended play, 57 singles and two box sets. Brothers Angus (lead guitar) and Malcolm Young (rhythm guitar) formed AC/DC in 1973. The band released two albums in Australasia before issuing their first international album, High Voltage (1976); the Youngs had been joined by vocalist Bon Scott, bass guitarist Mark Evans and drummer Phil Rudd. In 1980, Scott died and was replaced by English singer Brian Johnson, with whom the band released their second best-selling album, Back in Black, to which it sold 50 million copies worldwide. Their fifteenth studio album Black Ice (2008), reached number one in 29 countries. In 50 years of their career, AC/DC have sold over 200 million albums worldwide; roughly 100 million in the United States. Their most certified singles in the US are "You Shook Me All Night Long" and "Back in Black" – each have received 3× platinum from the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) in 2019. In Australia, "Thunderstruck" was accredited 10× platinum by the Australian Recording Industry Association (ARIA) in 2022. (Full list...)
My first featured list ever! I would like to suggest that this list should be listed on July 22, 2024, as it will be their 50th anniversary of their release of their first single "Can I Sit Next to You, Girl". — VAUGHAN J. (t · c) 23:31, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
List of accolades received by Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows – Part 2
Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows – Part 2, a 2011 fantasy film directed by David Yates from a screenplay by Steve Kloves, won 37 awards from 101 nominations, with particular recognition for its acting (mainly that of Daniel Radcliffe – pictured), musical score, production design, and visual effects. It received three nominations at the 84th Academy Awards, including Best Visual Effects. At the 65th British Academy Film Awards, the film was nominated for Best Production Design, Best Sound, and Best Makeup and Hair, and won Best Special Visual Effects. It received four nominations at the 17th Critics' Choice Awards and won two awards. The National Board of Review selected The Deathly Hallows – Part 2 as one of the top-ten films of 2011. (Full list...)
Would suggest for July 15, 2024, to coincide the thirteenth anniversary of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows – Part 2 on July 15, 2011. Chompy Ace 05:36, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
List of accolades received by Eat Bulaga!
Eat Bulaga!, a Philippine television variety show that premiered on Radio Philippines Network on July 30, 1979, has won 58 awards from 129 nominations, with particular recognition for its hosting and acting. The longest-running variety show in the Philippines, it features a disparate set of segments. Eat Bulaga! initially featured Tito Sotto, Vic Sotto, Joey de Leon, Chiqui Hollman, and Richie D'Horsie; the show's cast have changed significantly during its run. The show has won twenty-one Box Office Entertainment Awards. It has received twenty-one Golden Screen TV Award nominations (winning eleven) and seventy-nine for PMPC Star Awards for Television (winning twenty). Eat Bulaga! won Best Entertainment (One-Off/Annual) at the 2005 Asian Television Awards. At the 2015 FAMAS Awards, Tito, Vic, and de Leon won FAMAS Lifetime Achievement Award. (Full list...)
Would suggest for July 29, 2024, as it is the closest to the anniversary of Eat Bulaga!'s pilot episode on July 30, 1979. Chompy Ace 19:07, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
List of birds of New Brunswick
The Canadian province of New Brunswick has 441 species of birds. The Maritime province lies within the Appalachian Mountain range and is largely covered by temperate broadleaf and mixed forests, with the northern part of the province also containing boreal forest. These ecosystems contribute to the diversity of birds in the province. Additionally, the Atlantic Flyway passes through New Brunswick's coast, with areas within the Bay of Fundy such as the Shepody Bay significantly contributing to the variety of bird species that breed in or migrate through the province. Of the 441 species, 94 are accidentals, 55 are noted as rare as defined by the New Brunswick Bird Records Committee (NBBRC), eight were introduced to North America, three are extinct and another is possibly extinct. (Full list...)
First featured list! I'd like to suggest August 5, 2024 (Monday) to coincide with "New Brunswick Day" AKA New Brunswick's Civic Holiday, which is held annually on the first Monday in August. B3251 (talk) 04:42, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
List of New England Revolution seasons
The New England Revolution have played 28 domestic league seasons in MLS. The team is one of the original ten MLS clubs that began play in the 1996 MLS season. The Revolution's first trophy win was the 2007 US Open Cup. The next year, the team won the 2008 North American SuperLiga, which was a tournament held between MLS and Liga MX teams. In 2021, the team won the Supporters' Shield for having the best record in the regular season. In that season, the team accrued 73 points, which stands as the best-ever regular season record as of the 2023 season. Although the Revolution have never won the MLS Cup, they have reached the final five times. The club's all-time leading goalscorer is Taylor Twellman, who has 119 goals across all competitions. The Revolution have had two players win the MLS Golden Boot: Twellman in 2002 and 2005, and Pat Noonan in 2004. (Full list...)
Thanks for reviewing! Brindille1 (talk) 01:31, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
List of accolades received by Interstellar
Interstellar, a 2014 epic and science fiction film directed by Christopher Nolan (pictured), won 23 awards from 87 nominations, with particular recognition for Nolan's direction as well as its musical score, cinematography, production design, and visual effects. It received five nominations at the 87th Academy Awards, winning Best Visual Effects. At the 68th British Academy Film Awards, it was nominated for Best Original Music, Best Cinematography and Best Production Design, and won Best Special Visual Effects. The film received eleven nominations at the 41st Saturn Awards, winning six, and seven nominations at the 20th Critics' Choice Awards, winning Best Sci-Fi/Horror Movie. Interstellar was named one of the Top 11 Films of 2014 by the American Film Institute. (Full list...)
I'd like to suggest September 27, 2024 to coincide with its 10-year anniversary re-release. Sgubaldo (talk) 03:11, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
United States congressional delegations from Connecticut
Since Connecticut became a U.S. state in 1788, it has sent congressional delegations to the United States Senate and United States House of Representatives, beginning with the 1st United States Congress in 1789. Each state elects two senators to serve for six years in general elections, with their re-election staggered. Prior to the ratification of the Seventeenth Amendment in 1913, senators were elected by the Connecticut General Assembly. Each state elects varying numbers of members of the House, depending on population, to two-year terms. Connecticut has sent five members to the House in each congressional delegation since the 2000 United States Census. A total of 292 unique individuals have represented Connecticut in Congress; Connecticut has had 57 senators and 259 representatives, and 24 have served in both the House and the Senate. Nine women from Connecticut have served in the House, the first being Clare Booth Luce, while none have served in the Senate. Two African-Americans from Connecticut, Gary Franks and Jahana Hayes, have served in the House. (Full list...)
Thanks for considering. Staraction (talk | contribs) 01:32, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
List of chief justices of India
The Chief Justice of India is the highest-ranking officer of the Indian judiciary and the chief judge of the Supreme Court of India. As head of the Supreme Court, the chief justice is responsible for the allocation of cases and appointment of constitutional benches which deal with important matters of law. A total of 50 chief justices have served in the office since the Supreme Court of India superseded the Federal Court of India in 1950. Yeshwant Vishnu Chandrachud, the 16th chief justice, is the longest-serving chief justice, serving over seven years (February 1978 – July 1985), while Kamal Narain Singh, the 22nd chief justice, is the shortest-serving, for 17 days in 1991. As of 2024, there has been no woman who has served as chief justice of India. The current and 50th Chief Justice is Justice Dhananjaya Y. Chandrachud (pictured), who entered office on 9 November 2022. (Full list...)
Thanks for considering. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 08:00, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
List of awards and nominations received by Anjelica Huston
Anjelica Huston is an American actress and filmmaker who has received numerous accolades throughout her career. She had her breakthrough role in the black comedy film Prizzi's Honor (1985), which won her the Academy Award for Best Supporting Actress, making her the third generation of her family to win an Oscar, following her father John and grandfather Walter Huston. She received two additional Academy Award nominations for Enemies, A Love Story (1989) and The Grifters (1990). She received two BAFTA Award nominations for the Woody Allen–directed films Crimes and Misdemeanors (1989) and Manhattan Murder Mystery (1993), and two Golden Globe Award nominations for her interpretation of Morticia Addams in The Addams Family (1991) and its sequel Addams Family Values (1993). (Full list...)
--Leo Mercury (talk) 18:33, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
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June 12
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RD: Jerry West
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS Sports
Credits:
- Nominated by KENGRIFFEY24FAN (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
KENGRIFFEY24FAN (talk) 14:04, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Basketball Hall of Famer, dubbed "The Logo." Most notable for his time as a player and executive for the Los Angeles Lakers
- Support: Article is a GA and I just resolved the last CN tag. pbp 14:14, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Still one CN tag in the "early life" section. The 🏎 Corvette 🏍 ZR1(The Garage) 14:20, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Plus I'm pretty sure his statistic sections need citations as well. rawmustard (talk) 14:26, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- @The Corvette ZR1: Looks like an IP removed my source. I readded it, and the page has been protected.
- @Rawmustard: The statistics are supported by the "external links" section, which links to statistical sites such as Basketball-Reference pbp 14:54, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Plus I'm pretty sure his statistic sections need citations as well. rawmustard (talk) 14:26, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support PBP fixed the citation issues, and the article looks good. The 🏎 Corvette 🏍 ZR1(The Garage) 15:03, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
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RD: Orest Lenczyk
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Eurosport/TVN24 (in Polish)
Credits:
- Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Nationally famous Polish football manager. Needs a few more citations. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:50, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
(RD ready) RD/blurb: Françoise Hardy
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: French singer-songwriter and actress Françoise Hardy (pictured) dies at the age of 80 (Post)
News source(s): Le Monde , The Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Kelisi (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Article is updated and well sourced. Seeing how the article definitely reflects her legacy, impact on French culture and also impact on the modern-day music industry, not sure if it warrants a blurb? Regardless, article (IMO) is good for RD. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:49, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD, oppose blurb The article is of more than sufficient quality for RD, but the manner of death was not notable, and thus a blurb is not warranted. In my opinion, death blurbs should only be in place when the death itself is a notable event. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 02:12, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD 💔 what a loss ꧁Zanahary꧂ 04:35, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb, as the legacy section states : Hardy was celebrated as a "French national treasure" and one of the greatest figures in French music of all time., I think that it's enough to deserve a blurb. Alexcalamaro (talk) 04:55, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Seconded. I support blurb based on this. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 05:54, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb. Loads of people are labelled "national treasures", that doesn't mean we blurb them. There's too much of the "this person is famous, let's blurb them" going on these days. Is Hardy a major figure of the Thatcher / Mandela stature? No. So we don't blurb her, it's that simple. If people want to lower the bar across the board or impose a different standard such as "major contributor" then that should be agreed at WT:ITN first. — Amakuru (talk) 06:52, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Article good for RD though? TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 06:56, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, it looks fine on that score. The only issue I can see is length. At 12,000 words, it's halfway between "probably should be trimmed" and "almost certainly should be trimmed", per WP:TOOLONG guidelines, but I won't object to ITN on that basis. Support RD. — Amakuru (talk) 07:01, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Article good for RD though? TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 06:56, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb per Amakuru. Was she famous in France? Yes. Was she important enough for her death to be blurbed as a standalone news item? No. *Support RD on quality. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 07:17, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD looks well sourced (minus the lede). --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 07:26, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) Hunter Biden
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: Hunter Biden, son of U.S. President Joe Biden, is convicted in a federal court in Delaware on three felony counts of possession of a firearm while under the influence of narcotics. (Post)
News source(s): NBC News
Credits:
- Nominated by Mia Mahey (talk · give credit)
Article updated
- Support Update on H. Biden's article is sufficient and event should be historic enough to warrant a blurb. Bremps... 18:27, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Unlike the Trump conviction, this is insignificant. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:35, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, as much as some politicians are trying to make this into a big deal, this is no different than any other low level crime. Yes, it’s a felony. No, it’s not a relevant felony, and it doesn’t become so just because he’s the President’s son. If Joe himself were convicted of this maybe it’d be newsworthy but probably not. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 18:39, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - he's a private citizen convicted of something inconsequential in the national or international grand scheme of things and bears no real meaning other than providing obvious partisan talking points. If he was convicted over something related to his father's presidency, that might be another matter. RPH (talk) 18:43, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. Hunter Biden is only a public figure because his father is a public figure; absent increased involvement from his father (for example, a presidential pardon) then this doesn't warrant posting. BilledMammal (talk) 18:44, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose irrelevant for ITN. _-_Alsor (talk) 19:00, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Local trivia. Black Kite (talk) 19:11, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per RPH. DarkSide830 (talk) 19:11, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose The events of his life have little real world impact. Compare it to the recent Indian election, where hundreds of millions of people voted in a democratic election to form a new government. You can't compare the scale of the two events. Harizotoh9 (talk) 19:33, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
RD: Khushboo (Pakistani actress)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The News
Credits:
- Nominated by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Ainty Painty (talk) 03:32, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Six sentences of prose at the moment. Needs citations. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 03:39, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Wait There's more info in the two headlines I read than in the current article, and who knows what might grow from those entire articles? For now, though, yeah. Way too stubby. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:49, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose There's no mention of her death outside of the infobox yet. Too much of a stub. Estreyeria (talk) 14:15, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
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(Posted blurb) RD/blurb: Saulos Chilima
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: Malawi Vice President Saulos Chilima (pictured) and 9 others are killed in a plane crash (Post)
Alternative blurb: A plane crash in Malawi causes the death of Vice President Saulos Chilima (pictured) and nine others.
News source(s): The Times of IndiaCNN
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Malawi Vice President died in Air Crash.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 10:59, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I have expanded the section on the corruption scandal and also added a bunch of sources for the rest of his bio. Scaramouche33 (talk) 14:51, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Blurb added. Johndavies837 (talk) 17:24, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support blub Johndavies837 (talk) 17:25, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Rest in peace Bakhos2010 (talk) 17:30, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb on notability of event, death of a Vice President in exercise. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 17:56, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Blurb Article is of sufficient quality and event is major enough. Bremps... 18:24, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- added altblurb. Sheila1988 (talk) 19:17, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb However, shouldn't the target article be the plane crash itself? Also worth noting, former first lady was also among the casualties. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:23, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, the target article should be the plane crash. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 20:23, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 22:25, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: James Lawson (activist)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Tennessee Lookout,Los Angeles Sentinel
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
- Updated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit) and Funcrunch (talk · give credit)
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American activist and university professor.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 19:29, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Appears to be well-sourced (just added/updated a couple of cites myself). Funcrunch (talk) 22:55, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Of Course, one of the giants of the Civil Rights Movement. Randy Kryn (talk) 23:47, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article looks good. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 00:52, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support per Funcrunch. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 03:41, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Rest in peace, friendly giant. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:54, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 05:13, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
RD: Steele Hall
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Australian Broadcasting Corporation
Credits:
- Nominated by Roisterer (talk · give credit)
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Premier of South Australia and Australian Senator.
NB: I created this article (20 years ago). Hall is perhaps most famous for changing electoral laws to remove the gerrymander that had kept his party in government for decades, thus all but ensuring his defeat at the next election. There can't be too many examples of politicians willing to do such a thing. --Roisterer (talk) 09:16, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Roisterer, could you address the CN tags in the article please? --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 09:36, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
European Parliament election
Blurb: The European People's Party Group wins the most seats in the European Parliament election (outcome pictured). (Post)
Alternative blurb: The European People's Party Group (main candidate Ursula von der Leyen pictured) obtains the most seats in the European Parliament election.
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
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I see lots of news reports about this so what exactly are we waiting for? It might help to make a start. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:23, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Wait A little premature perhaps as the article doesn't even have the seat breakdown yet nor have they finished announcing. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 08:29, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality. Article is in bad shape with many empty sections and very little content on the results, reactions and implications. There's long way to go before this gets posted.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:31, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Wait/Oppose on quality. Too many empty sections. Wait until the article is expanded and provisional election results/seat breakdowns are available. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 08:37, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Wait and Improve - We should post this, but we need an acceptable article. GenevieveDEon (talk) 08:53, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - Might be good to mention the surge in support of right-wing parties in the European Parliament, which has been a massive talking point in this election PrecariousWorlds (talk) 11:42, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. Ursula von der Leyen did not run in this election, and the leader of the EPP is currently the German politician Manfred Weber. --2.248.103.101 (talk) 13:08, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure of all the details but the BBC live report indicates that she's in the driving seat, e.g.
The nominated article lists seven alliances and four of them are shown to have leaders who were not running as MEPs. If there's a better way of explaining the result, I expect there will be alt blurbs suggested. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:42, 10 June 2024 (UTC)European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen says she will approach social democratic and liberal parties that she has worked with in the past to form a majority in the European Parliament.
- I'm not sure of all the details but the BBC live report indicates that she's in the driving seat, e.g.
- Comment von der Leyen is the main candidate, but not the leader of the EPP group. It should as such not say "led by" in the text. I would instead replace it with "The European People's Party Group (main candidate Ursula von der Leyen pictured) wins the most seats in the European Parliament election." I will also say that I would be cautious with writing anything which could imply that UvdL is guarenteed to continue as Commission President. So I would prefer using the term "win" if it is possible. Gust Justice (talk) 19:07, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- To understand this, I read Ursula von der Leyen in pole position.... This indicates that her getting a second term as President is decided by national leaders and then endorsed by the parliament. So, that seems to be a separate process, just as election of the US President is separate from the election of Congress. Right? I'm therefore not convinced that we ought to personalise this by showing a particular politician but it's good to have an image of some sort. I'll adjust the nomination... Andrew🐉(talk) 19:54, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
This indicates that her getting a second term as President is decided by national leaders and then endorsed by the parliament.
Leaders of the 27 member states (on June 27) and majority of MEPs (secret ballot voting; tentative July 18) [1]. So imo, delay this ITN to July 18.— hako9 (talk) 21:11, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- FYI, the blurb which was posted in 2019 was as follows:
In the European Parliament election, the centre-right and centre-left lose seats. Liberals, the far-right, greens and regionalists make the largest gains.
- The Presidential process was not included. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:36, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment The article is about the elections to the European Parliament. Because of the unusual institutional setup of the EU, the election of the Commission President is a separate, later election (as noted above), and in any case the Commission isn't exactly equivalent to a government in function and form. I would therefore strongly suggest a blurb focusing only on the parliamentary elections and the outcome in terms of party groups, and leave VDL out of this for now. There is however no reason to delay the article until she is reelected (or not) as that election is another affair, strictly speaking. Yakikaki (talk) 07:23, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- To understand this, I read Ursula von der Leyen in pole position.... This indicates that her getting a second term as President is decided by national leaders and then endorsed by the parliament. So, that seems to be a separate process, just as election of the US President is separate from the election of Congress. Right? I'm therefore not convinced that we ought to personalise this by showing a particular politician but it's good to have an image of some sort. I'll adjust the nomination... Andrew🐉(talk) 19:54, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Not ready. There are five orange-tagged sections and no prose at all about the results. The empty sections could simply be removed or merged into others, but there also needs to be at least a full referenced paragraph describing the outcome, reactions etc. Modest Genius talk 11:02, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- FWIW, I do think the blurb should avoid mentioning von der Leyen, because the Commission and the Parliament are two separate bodies. Modest Genius talk 11:03, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Not that it's not ready, but the article is in such a terrible shape that all of the questions in the foregoing discussion should've not been raised because the article is supposed to provide the answers.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 11:09, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
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2024 Bulgarian parliamentary election
Blurb: GERB wins a plurality of seats in the Bulgarian parliamentary election. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera, Reuters
Credits:
- Nominated by Curbon7 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Borgenland (talk · give credit)
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Part 2 of Europe's "Super Sunday" elections, and Bulgaria's 6th general election in 3 years. Curbon7 (talk) 21:18, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Aftermath section needs to be expanded and prose needed for results section. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 03:36, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Simon Cowell (conservationist)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [2]
Credits:
- Nominated by Ollieisanerd (talk · give credit)
- Created by LittleOldMe (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Normantas Bataitis (talk · give credit) and 213.31.43.58 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: British conservationist. Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 20:43, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate There's a much more famous Simon Cowell and so running this in the usual RD way is unacceptably confusing and misleading. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:31, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- This is not an argument for opposing. You can create a discussion on the talk page to change the "usual RD way" if that is an issue for you. Natg 19 (talk) 21:48, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Andrew Davidson is that a real policy argument for opposing a RD? --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 21:49, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- The issue has come up before but I don’t recall exactly how disambiguation was done. The point is that we need to make it clear which Simon Cowell we’re talking about. It’s a significant BLP issue. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:59, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- I think there have been rare instances where the name with disambiguator is in the RD line, i.e. Simon Cowell (conservationist). But this is usually up to the posting admin to decide. Natg 19 (talk) 23:54, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- The issue has come up before but I don’t recall exactly how disambiguation was done. The point is that we need to make it clear which Simon Cowell we’re talking about. It’s a significant BLP issue. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:59, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support. He was notable; he's dead; article looks ok. I suspect his talents far exceeded those of his more famous namesake. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:36, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support per Martinevans, but as to Andrew's concerns, I do think the (conservationist) disambiguator should be included in the listing. The Kip (contribs) 23:58, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support I tried to address the CN tags in the article. I am a little iffy on the alumni verification. Room for improvement, but looks ok. I think going with the current parenthetical, (conservationist) or (wildlife conservationist), would be enough of a disambiguator. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 01:09, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Posted (with disambiguator). Black Kite (talk) 07:30, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
2024 Belgian federal election
Blurb: In the Belgian federal election, the incumbent coalition government, led by prime minister Alexander De Croo, lose their parliamentary majority. (Post)
Alternative blurb: In the Belgian federal election, the New Flemish Alliance remains the largest party in parliament, but the governing coalition (prime minister Alexander De Croo pictured) loses its majority.
News source(s): The Guardian, AP News, Politico
Credits:
- Nominated by Curbon7 (talk · give credit)
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Part 1 of Europe's "Super Sunday" elections. Curbon7 (talk) 06:07, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Technical Support Should be "its" parliamentary majority, as a coalition, but close enough. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:43, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- That's an ENGVAR issue that shouldn't interfere with posting. GenevieveDEon (talk) 08:54, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- No stalling intended, it's ready when it's ready, just seems the sort of potential ERRORS issue best checked preemptively. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:14, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- That's an ENGVAR issue that shouldn't interfere with posting. GenevieveDEon (talk) 08:54, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose: Article is currently lacking in prose and analysis. Will support when it improves. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 07:47, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support in principle once the article is ready. GenevieveDEon (talk) 08:54, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: this is almost sufficient, but there's an orange-tagged section and I'd like to see a bit more referenced prose in the 'results' and 'aftermath' sections. Modest Genius talk 11:07, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- I added some prose to the aftermath section YD407OTZ (talk) 17:38, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks. The article now meets our minimum requirements, so I support posting. I've added an altblurb and a potential image. Modest Genius talk 10:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- I added some prose to the aftermath section YD407OTZ (talk) 17:38, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
(ready) French Open
Blurb: In tennis, Iga Świątek wins the Women's Singles and Carlos Alcaraz wins the Men's Singles at the French Open. (Post)
News source(s): Women's singles, Men's Singles
Credits:
- Nominated by PrinceofPunjab (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: This year's article has prose which various previous grand slam nominations lacked. PrinceofPunjabTALK 17:47, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support finally a grand slam event article that actually have prose. LiamKorda 03:19, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support: although the singles articles are mostly tables, the target article is good shape. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 07:51, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Conditional support Once the lede is properly written, the article is good to go. Unnamelessness (talk) 11:12, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality - the bottom four sections of the results - Boys' singles, Girls' singles, Boys' doubles and Girls' doubles - are lacking prose at the moment. I'm also not convinced we need that "Champions" section at the bottom; that is nonstandard, uncited and seems to be almost just a glorified gallery. — Amakuru (talk) 18:49, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Amakuru Please look into the article once again. I've tried address both of your concerns. PrinceofPunjabTALK 05:44, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support. For the first time I can remember, a nominated tennis article has proper prose summaries of the tournament, not just tables. This looks good to me, thanks for the much better article this time around. I think this is ready to post. Modest Genius talk 11:10, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- There were no further comments in 24 hours, so I'm marking this as ready to post. Modest Genius talk 11:02, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
RD: Siri Kannangara
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Sunday Times, Daily FT
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Abishe (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Inducted to the Football Australia Hall of Fame in 2002. He was also conferred with a Member (AM) in the General Division of the Order of Australia during 2013 Queen's Birthday Honours (Australia). Abishe (talk) 17:03, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose: I think the article has tone issues right now. It is slightly WP:FLOWERY. Could do with improvements to the layout as well. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 07:58, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
(Ready) RD: Michael Mosley
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABC, BBC, ITV, NYT, NZ Herald
Credits:
- Nominated by Ollieisanerd (talk · give credit)
- Created by Tim bates (talk · give credit)
- Updated by BabbaQ (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Date found dead. Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 08:40, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Wait for confirmation. Most sources I'm seeing are saying it's "believed to be" him so shouldn't post prematurely as a BLP issue. — Amakuru (talk) 08:59, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, but the mayor has said it was likely him.
- Seeing that they're saying cause of death is likely heat and dehydration.
- 178.19.184.210 (talk) 178.19.184.210 (talk) 09:32, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- A mayor is not a coroner and the key word is likely. Nothing will happen if we wait a few hours for a formal identification and declaration. Think how you would feel if the world's online encyclopedia confirmed your loved one dead before you had been to inspect the body Unknown Temptation (talk) 10:45, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Blurb Identification seems likely to be a formality now. It's worthy of a blurb because his mysterious disappearance has been front-page news lately and the readership has been correspondingly high – greater than William Anders, for example. And it's international news; for example: "British TV Doctor Michael Mosley Found Dead in Greece" in the New York Times. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:18, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb If he is all that great of a British journalist, his article is nowhere close to a standard that would be appropriate for a blurb. I see some facets that might lead to that impression but nowhere close to demonstrating him as a great figure in British TV news presenting. We also, again, do not use page views to judge ITN appropriateness. --Masem (t) 12:16, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb While he's well known in the UK, he's not particularly known globally. 31.44.224.73 (talk) 12:33, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Per WP:ITNDONT, "Please do not... Oppose an item just because the event is only relating to a single country". Andrew🐉(talk) 07:54, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- I understand what you're getting at, but isn't that aimed at "Irrelevant for me/I don't like country X, so therefore I oppose." opposes? I'm not trying game, but what I'm getting at is that I don't think his death is particularly meaningful to the vast majority of people outside the UK to warrant a blurb, compared to that of major world leader or similarly internationally well known person. 31.44.224.73 (talk) 11:54, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Per WP:ITNDONT, "Please do not... Oppose an item just because the event is only relating to a single country". Andrew🐉(talk) 07:54, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb, far from being the transformative figure in journalism. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 12:55, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- See How the presenter transformed people's lives, "It is not an exaggeration to say Dr Michael Mosley transformed people’s lives. ... Tributes are now pouring in..." Andrew🐉(talk) 07:51, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb Not a transformative figure, which is the general criteria for a death blurb to be posted. And Television section needs more sources before being posted to RD. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:18, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- I don't support a blurb either, but surely in this case the criteria would be "death is the story" rather than him being "transformative." Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:27, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- In that case, the death isn't a major news story either. Unusual, yes, front-page story, probably not. And not every unusual RD has to be a blurb. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 13:30, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- The story was on the front page of most UK papers today. And that's after days of similar coverage. And all that's before the body was found so there will be even more tomorrow. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:43, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- And today, following discovery of the body, the news is on the front page of every UK newspaper except the FT. The coverage is mostly the main photo story or takes the entire front page. While on Wikipedia, it was the top read article for the day, getting half a million views while William Anders got just 40K. The RD picks that ITN is actually running got comparatively few views; they are obviously not prominent in the news and readers aren't interested in a dry list of unknown names. Useless.
- In that case, the death isn't a major news story either. Unusual, yes, front-page story, probably not. And not every unusual RD has to be a blurb. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 13:30, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- I don't support a blurb either, but surely in this case the criteria would be "death is the story" rather than him being "transformative." Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:27, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- We can expect yet more coverage tomorrow as the news is still breaking. The latest is that they've found CCTV of him falling down... Andrew🐉(talk) 07:51, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- ITN, and especially RD, isn't just about how many views the articles are getting. Especially since we're not picking RDs based on fame or anything, but based on article quality. And, for some people outside of the UK, Michael Mosley can be just as much of an unknown name as any of them. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 10:28, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Andrew keeps pushing this argument, and it's nonsense. The number of views an article receives should have no impact whatsoever on whether we post it to ITN. I think perhaps we should update ITNCDONT to reflect this, because it's getting tiresome. GenevieveDEon (talk) 10:42, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- @GenevieveDEon: Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents is that way. BangJan1999 13:41, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Per WP:ITNRDBLURB, the posting of RD blurbs is determined on a "a sui generis basis" which seems to mean that anything goes and so editors may support or oppose for their own reasons. Chaotic Enby's reason for not posting was that "the death isn't a major news story either. Unusual, yes, front-page story, probably not". Evidence is therefore needed to show that this claim is false. The story is, in fact, all over the front pages and the evidence is that it's dwarfing the recent accidental death of William Anders for whom a blurb has also been suggested. See evidence-based practice. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:12, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Andrew keeps pushing this argument, and it's nonsense. The number of views an article receives should have no impact whatsoever on whether we post it to ITN. I think perhaps we should update ITNCDONT to reflect this, because it's getting tiresome. GenevieveDEon (talk) 10:42, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- ITN, and especially RD, isn't just about how many views the articles are getting. Especially since we're not picking RDs based on fame or anything, but based on article quality. And, for some people outside of the UK, Michael Mosley can be just as much of an unknown name as any of them. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 10:28, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- We can expect yet more coverage tomorrow as the news is still breaking. The latest is that they've found CCTV of him falling down... Andrew🐉(talk) 07:51, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD oppose blurb Article looks good and was a notable figure in the uk Sharrdx (talk) 13:58, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb his disappearance was in the news for a few days, while he probably died of natural causes. This isn't a Lord Lucan or a Madeleine McCann. I don't know a lot about dieting, but I highly doubt that Mosley's work was as noted in the field as Dr Atkins, for example. Unknown Temptation (talk) 14:04, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb Good for RD but this isn't big enough for a blurb. Johndavies837 (talk) 14:58, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. Most of the Television section is unreferenced. - SchroCat (talk) 20:31, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD oppose blurb: when citations are added to aforementioned problem sections. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 08:00, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD, oppose blurb Looks fine as an RD but I agree with above, not transformative enough beyond the UK to justify a blurb. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 08:13, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- An unfortunate accident for sure, but no more significant than an individual of his fame dying in a car accident. The section is good, but it's not enough for a blurb at his level. I think a lack of responses to the death described in the article is part of the issue. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:14, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD, oppose blurb - While the story of his disappearance has been a nine days' wonder, the actual circumstances are not such as to merit a blurb here. GenevieveDEon (talk) 08:55, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD, oppose blurb Extensively covered in British news for the last few days. Death very unlikely to be foul play, probably not notable enough for blurb. Angusgtw (talk) 11:08, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD, oppose blurb: Very extensive media coverage. No issues with article quality (although now stuck with an inappropriate image).Martinevans123 (talk) 11:13, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: post-mortem has established that he died on 5 June. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:32, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment The Television section is heavily missing references, some items are cited, most are not. The rest is fine and once fixed, a consensus seems to be for RD. --Tone 13:32, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD per coverage, oppose blurb per WP:CRETINISM. ——Serial Number 54129 16:09, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Cretans are people too, you know. Please give them a break. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:31, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - Television section still needs some more cites. — Amakuru (talk) 18:51, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment There is clear consensus against a blurb so I am removing that option to avoid any more unneeded pile-on. Instead, reviewers should focus on if the article meets the RD criteria. Curbon7 (talk) 21:22, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD, quality is fine. Modest Genius talk 11:11, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- @SchroCat, @Joseph2302, @Tone, @Amakuru, I have tried to source the television section. I am marking it as ready (at least for RD), feel free to remove if you think more needs to be done.
- (Given the number of times I have done this, I wonder WP:FILMOGRAPHY/MOS:FILMOGRAPHY guidance language should be updated to highly recommend references.) --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 06:55, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: Chet Walker
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
N.B.A. Player and Movie Producer.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 10:24, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Still needs a lot of sourcing work, though better than when I looked at this yesterday. Natg 19 (talk) 17:20, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Natg 19, @Pharaoh of the Wizards. Article could be improved/expanded, but I just went through and added a bunch of citations. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 08:30, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
Not ready- stats section is unreferenced as far as I can see. — Amakuru (talk) 18:52, 10 June 2024 (UTC)- @Amakuru - I added stat source now. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 20:45, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Posted - @Classicwiki: thanks! — Amakuru (talk) 21:03, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
RD: Ramoji Rao
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Economic Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Need Work .Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 16:32, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Article needs ref work. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 07:01, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
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RD: David Boaz
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Washington Post
Credits:
- Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk • contribs) 05:54, 12 June 2024 {UTC) (UTC)
(Ready) RD: Warren Winiarski
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Warren Winiarski, whose Napa wine triumphed over France, dies at 95
Credits:
- Nominated by TheCorriynial (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
As the then owner of Stag's Leap Wine Cellars, in 1976, his wineries 1973 vintage Cabernet Sauvignon was entered into the Judgement of Paris (wine), where it won, and made it famous and Napa Valley wines as well. He also seems to be a well known Preservationist. TheCorriynial (talk) 18:50, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article looks good. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 06:59, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
(RD posted) RD/blurb: William Anders
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: William Anders, who took the Earthrise photograph (pictured) in 1968 dies in a plane crash aged 90 (Post)
Alternative blurb: Apollo 8 astronaut William Anders, who took the Earthrise photo (pictured), dies in a plane crash aged 90
Alternative blurb II: No blurb needed. The photo is more famous than the photographer. Simply display Earthrise photo at top of ITN section, and under Recent Deaths, since William Anders is already posted, just add in parentheses (Earthrise photographer): William Anders (Earthrise photographer).
News source(s): Fox, AP, CNN
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Hawkeye7 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:37, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD when ready, oppose blurb. Natg 19 (talk) 23:44, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD, Neutral blurb.
Wait for official confirmation.B3251(talk) 23:47, 7 June 2024 (UTC) - Support Alternate Blurb (which mentions Apollo 8), Anders was one of the first three humans to fly to and orbit the Moon, he participated in the Apollo 8 Genesis reading and, iconically, took the Earthrise photograph. Extremely worthy of having a lead blurb with Earthrise as an image. Randy Kryn (talk) 00:44, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Blurb One of the most notable astronauts, on the first mission which flew to the Moon, and he also took an iconic photo of Earth. The way he died is also unusual. Johndavies837 (talk) 01:06, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Altblurb added. Johndavies837 (talk) 01:10, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Blurb Article is in great shape, as I'd expect for a GA-tier article. He had a very significant and transformative career; as Randy mentioned, the Earthrise photograph itself had a lasting impact. (the fact that it's a Featured Picture is a testament to that)) On top of that, the death is unusual; it was for that reason that we blurbed the death of Kobe Bryant back in 2020. I echo that we should also use Earthrise as the photo. Nottheking (talk) 01:22, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD, oppose blurb While the Earthrise photo is indeed extremely well-known, the person behind it is far from a household name, and doesn't fit the high standards of a death blurb. Although, if it is possible, it would be great to have Earthrise as our image even if he is only in RD. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 01:28, 8 June 2024 (UTC)\
- Will say
only once more, again, one of the first three humans to fly to and orbit the Moon. If he is not blurb worthy then nobody is, and Wikipedia should stop publishing blurbs. Randy Kryn (talk) 01:39, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Stop posting death blurbs, you say? I'm down. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 02:29, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- It's not an "all or nothing", and many people (even in the field of astronautics) are more well-known than him. Yes, that one accomplishment is impressive, but he was not the only one on this mission, and they aren't as well-remembered as, say, Neil or Buzz. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 01:50, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- With the latest update, support "altblurb2". Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 01:10, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Will say
- Support RD, neutral on blurb The article is rated Good, so it should be sufficient for posting. rawmustard (talk) 01:30, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Procedural support RD; strong oppose blurb - not a serving head of state/government This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 01:36, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- You act like we can only blurb the deaths of incumbent heads of government or state, when this is fact not so. I distinctly remember we recently posted OJ Simpson's Death as well as that of Peter Higgs, in spite of neither man having been an incumbent anything at the time of their death.
- I think we certainly shouldn't have posted either of those, as neither death (as an event) had a notable impact This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 05:52, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- The key thing to recognize here is that we routinely blurb deaths (and other events) that aren't ITN/R; that's why this has a yellow box, rather than green. An incumbent head of government dying inherently means a change of head of government, thus it's ITN/R and green. Deaths can very much be elevated to blurbing, for any reason of the deceased being "transformative" in their field, as well as the death itself being unusual/newsworthy. The former has a strong argument (if still debatable) but as for the latter, the rule does seem to be that anyone with a Wikipedia article dying in an aircraft accident (such as Ted Stevens or Kobe Bryant) is almost always blurbed, even when they're well beyond being in the spotlight. Nottheking (talk) 03:15, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- The point (and the problem with those postings) is that neither of those ought to have been blurbed. The death should be notable as an event in and of itself, which random plane crashes are not This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 05:53, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Not sure how you can possibly say Kobe Bryant shouldn't have been posted. A NBA superstar who recently retired unexpectedly dying in a helicopter crash is a massive story and the way he died was undeniably a big part of why the death was so big. Death blurbs aren't just limited to heads of state or government. Jbvann05 17:53, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- The point (and the problem with those postings) is that neither of those ought to have been blurbed. The death should be notable as an event in and of itself, which random plane crashes are not This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 05:53, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- You act like we can only blurb the deaths of incumbent heads of government or state, when this is fact not so. I distinctly remember we recently posted OJ Simpson's Death as well as that of Peter Higgs, in spite of neither man having been an incumbent anything at the time of their death.
- Support altburb The articles are highly important for and changed the world history. ArionStar (talk) 02:05, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Strong Support An extremely influential person whose article is a GA and his manner of death is also noteworthy. I prefer Alt blurb. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:07, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I can support a blurb, but focusing on the Earthrise photo when he's far more recognized for a distinguished military/astronaut career overall, is inappropriate. Focus on him and the sudden death. --Masem (t) 04:16, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD, weak oppose blurb While it is a notable person who died, the death is not notable in and of itself. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 06:37, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb - RIP to one of humanity's greatest heroes. He died as he lived. But yeah, the first human to fly to the Moon (along with Lovell and Borman) is definitely notable enough for a blurb. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 07:22, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD, oppose blurb per Chaotic Enby. I think the only astronaut we should blurb his passing is Buzz Aldrin. The others don't reach the level of notability we should demand and ITN is for. _-_Alsor (talk) 10:11, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support altblurb A notable and tragic ending for one of the few living men (only 6 left now) to have been to the Moon. The articles themselves look good. CDE34RFV (talk) 10:13, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD, oppose blurb per Chaotic Enby. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 14:49, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Notable individual that surprisingly did not die from natural causes Scaramouche33 (talk) 17:03, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD, oppose blurb per Chaotic Enby. This is what RD is for. Not every event connected to space flight needs to be in the blurb. Nigej (talk) 20:46, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- "Not every every event connected to spaceflight...". Anders is one of the three people to first leave Earth's orbit, Earth's gravitational influence, to be captured by another astronomical bodies gravitational field, to arrive at the Moon, and to personally see the far side of the Moon. Yes, just an average spaceflight event (!???). Randy Kryn (talk) 22:30, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- The event was important, as were other Apollo program milestones, and would itself have obviously been blurb-worthy, but it doesn't make every person on board worthy of a death blurb's extremely high notability bar. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 22:36, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Chaotic Enby, there were three persons on board, the first to go the Moon (a human race civilizational milestone of extraordinary proportion). How do all three not pass what you call an extremely high notability bar? Randy Kryn (talk) 23:11, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- The mission is clearly very notable but that doesn't necessarily mean that all the people on it are so important. There's a big difference. Nigej (talk) 08:29, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- That's a bit of a catch-22 argument there. Because under those grounds, it's used to just dismiss all people from being important. William Anders was the one that gave us the photo & quotes that brought the mission into the public memory. Nottheking (talk) 20:32, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- The mission is clearly very notable but that doesn't necessarily mean that all the people on it are so important. There's a big difference. Nigej (talk) 08:29, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Chaotic Enby, there were three persons on board, the first to go the Moon (a human race civilizational milestone of extraordinary proportion). How do all three not pass what you call an extremely high notability bar? Randy Kryn (talk) 23:11, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- The event was important, as were other Apollo program milestones, and would itself have obviously been blurb-worthy, but it doesn't make every person on board worthy of a death blurb's extremely high notability bar. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 22:36, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- "Not every every event connected to spaceflight...". Anders is one of the three people to first leave Earth's orbit, Earth's gravitational influence, to be captured by another astronomical bodies gravitational field, to arrive at the Moon, and to personally see the far side of the Moon. Yes, just an average spaceflight event (!???). Randy Kryn (talk) 22:30, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD, oppose blurb per Chaotic Enby, they put it quite well. Ornithoptera (talk) 22:52, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD, oppose Blurb Per chaotic enby. Sharrdx (talk) 01:03, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb Article's in good shape, one of the few people to leave low Earth orbit and his death is quite uncommon especially given his age. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 07:09, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD, oppose blurb per Chaotic Enby. The Kip (contribs) 07:45, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support alt blurb Very notable for taking that photo, article is also a GA. Quite an unusual death too, having not died of natural causes. Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 08:51, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support alt blurb Per Ollieisanerd. 31.44.224.73 (talk) 12:43, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb This is what RD is for. Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:27, 9 June 2024 (UTC)Ðg
- Oppose blurb OMD -- Kicking222 (talk) 20:16, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Photo RD This isn't a classic case of OMD, given the plane crash. But as the death toll is one man of an advanced age, (relatively) far from civilization, any presumed aftermath shan't exactly be a long, hard nor winding trip for the FAA, FEMA or SJCC, either. OMPC, if you will, and the story seems to check out, sourcewise. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:37, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb. One of many Apollo astronauts, did great work but not a Thatcher or Mandela figure in his own right. Quite something to go all the way to the moon, make it to 90 and then to sadly die in a plane crash... — Amakuru (talk) 23:03, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD/Oppose Blurb per Chaotic Enby 108.49.72.125 (talk) 00:35, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD, support alternate blurb per Ollieisanerd. I feel as though most people know of Apollo 8 as at least a moon mission. HamiltonthesixXmusic (talk) 05:00, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD, weak oppose blurb - By no means a household name, but I do understand the arguments about the photograph. We should post something, though. GenevieveDEon (talk) 08:56, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Consensus for RD, I don't see a consensus for a blurb. Posting RD. --Tone 13:24, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- My heart says blurb, but that's filtered thru the fact that he is one of the few famous people I've ever met in person, and he was very cool to a young awkward teenage doofus 45-50 years ago. If ITN was set up more like I think it should be, I'd say blurb. But it is run a different way, and the way it's currently run, a blurb is probably not going to happen. Reasonable call, Tone. --Floquenbeam (talk) 16:11, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support altblurb2 - The photograph is more famous than the photographer. Therefore no blurb is necessary. Just display the photo Earthrise (ie., replace photo of Narendra Modi). - Trauma Novitiate (talk) 00:59, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
RD: Rose-Marie (singer)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:
- Nominated by Zevabelle40 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Northern Irish singer and television personality. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zevabelle40 (talk • contribs) 17:37, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose selected discography section do not have any sources. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:10, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
RD: Nicholas Ball (actor)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The National
Credits:
- Nominated by Duke of New Gwynedd (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
English actor known for EastEnders and Hazell. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 09:16, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Article is stub in terms of thorough details/info about his early life, career, etc. Filmography section is unsourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 10:00, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose article is a stub and filmography is unsourced. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:02, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
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RD: T. D. Allman
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Obit published 6 June. Thriley (talk) 14:01, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Wait there is one cn tag and there are works that are unsourced, otherwise article is alright. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:12, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) Sooners four-peat
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Blurb: The Oklahoma Sooners win the 2024 Women's College World Series with the first-ever four-peat. (Post)
Alternative blurb: The Oklahoma Sooners win the 2024 Women's College World Series for the fourth consecutive season in a row.
News source(s): ESPN, NY Times, USA Today, KFOR
Credits:
- Nominated by WeatherWriter (talk · give credit)
- Created by DetroitFan7 (talk · give credit)
The first ever four-peat in college softball history. Even the NY Times called it "historic". The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 04:32, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- I can support this (women's sports fights systemic bias) but (1) it needs a lot of prose describing what happened and why a four-peat is historic and (2) a lot of images to add interest to all the tables. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:40, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Please keep slang/jargon such as "four-peat" out of ITN. I think I can guess what it means, but I shouldn't have to guess. HiLo48 (talk) 05:17, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- @HiLo48: to note, the “four-peat” is used by all RS and is why it is notable. Google “four-peat” or “4-peat” and you see dozens of RS news articles, including those listed here. So I disagree that it should not be used in ITN, since RS uses it way more than not. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 05:21, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Also to note, “four-peat” is an actual term in the merriam-webster dictionary. So, it is not “slang” or “jargon”. Just because you don’t know what it means, doesn’t mean the rest of the world doesn’t. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 05:26, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose The Women's Softball World Cup actually takes place next month in Italy. Even that top-tier event isn't WP:ITN/R. Andrew🐉(talk) 05:59, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Andrew Davidson: So what? NY Times and ESPN lied? If I misread the sources, please explain what the Sooners won according to NY Times and ESPN. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 06:11, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- The NCAA tournament calls itself the "World Series", probably named after MLB World Series, but is just an American collegiate tournament rather than an international professional one. Curbon7 (talk) 06:16, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Andrew Davidson: So what? NY Times and ESPN lied? If I misread the sources, please explain what the Sooners won according to NY Times and ESPN. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 06:11, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose "College team wins national tournament in minor sport for 4th time". Not exactly world news. Its not in WP:ITN/R and uses slang in its proposed form. (What on earth is a "four-peat"? Certainly not a term we use here in the UK). The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 06:07, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- @The C of E: Alt-blurb without “slang” added. Please strike the part of your oppose for that. Also, clearly you can’t read what was posted just above yours on how “four-peat” is a dictionary term and not slang. Lol… The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 06:11, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- I wrote that in response to your "Just because you don’t know what it means, doesn’t mean the rest of the world doesn’t" quote. Just to prove the rest of the world doesn't, for its not in the Oxford English Dictionary. Must be some US-specific term. Anyway, the !oppose still stands for it not being on ITN/R. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 06:15, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- For your reference, it isn’t just an US thing. Manchester City's Premier League four-peat on ESPN. I still disagree that just because it isn’t on ITN/R, doesn’t mean it can’t be listed. ITN/R is a guideline for things guaranteed to be listed. For a first-time in history event, one would think it should be listed, despite not being on ITN/R. But, I shall respect your opinion. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 06:20, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- I wrote that in response to your "Just because you don’t know what it means, doesn’t mean the rest of the world doesn’t" quote. Just to prove the rest of the world doesn't, for its not in the Oxford English Dictionary. Must be some US-specific term. Anyway, the !oppose still stands for it not being on ITN/R. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 06:15, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- @The C of E: Alt-blurb without “slang” added. Please strike the part of your oppose for that. Also, clearly you can’t read what was posted just above yours on how “four-peat” is a dictionary term and not slang. Lol… The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 06:11, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose not ITNR, not ITN-worthy, not globally relevant. _-_Alsor (talk) 06:12, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. Congratulations to the Sooners but this is not really a major global notable event. — Amakuru (talk) 06:18, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Sergei Novikov (mathematician)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Semenov, Kirill Vladimirovich (6 June 2024). "Скончался Сергей Петрович Новиков". Moscow State University (in Russian). Retrieved 6 June 2024.
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by MarkH21 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
The first Fields Medal recipient from the Soviet Union and a Wolf Prize recipient. — MarkH21talk 00:26, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article appears to be well sourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 10:01, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support article looks alright to me. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:03, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) Starship successful flight test
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Blurb: SpaceX conducts a successful flight of Starship, with a landing for the Booster and Ship (Post)
Alternative blurb: SpaceX Starship successfully launches, culminating in a re-entry and ocean landing for both the Booster and Ship.
News source(s): New York Times, The Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by PrecariousWorlds (talk · give credit)
- Support Is this even a question? Couple very small failures, but still hugely successful, and they both landed for the first time. This was the most anticipated spaceflight event of the decade. qw3rty 14:03, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- I highly recommend everyone go and watch the replay of this, one of the most amazing things I've ever seen. Ship the size of the Statue of Liberty plummeting through the atmosphere, green and blue plasma flying all over the feed, the craft literally melting away live but still manoeuvring for landing. Just insane. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 14:06, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- 'most anticipated spaceflight event of the decade' no it isn't, not even close. That's Artemis 3, which will land humans on the Moon. Modest Genius talk 17:15, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- This is a massive step towards that mission too PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:59, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Not every SpaceX launch deserves a blurb. Even Boeing Starliner's very first crewed flight is being heavily debated below, so a test flight
into orbitfor a prototype Starship isn't really blurb-worthy. (Edit 14:58, 6 June 2024 (UTC): Not even into orbit as per below) Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 14:13, 6 June 2024 (UTC)- Looks like Starliner is coming to a consensus [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 22:07, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support. This was the first actually successful flight of Starship. Very important milestone in spaceflight. Note that this was not an orbital flight though. Agile Jello (talk) 14:21, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per Chaotic Enby. Not even into orbit. Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 15:48, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Being on an orbital trajectory is a rather arbitrary requirement, especially as by all metrics Starship made it to space, just not at an orbital velocity (which wasn't the goal of the flight). PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:27, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- The main test objectives of this flight were to simulate a booster landing in the Gulf of Mexico, and for the Starship to survive reentry and soft-land in the Indian Ocean. Both of which were accomplished.
- This is not just a major milestone in SpaceX development, but a significant milestone in human spaceflight history as the largest ever rocket's first successful flight. HamiltonthesixXmusic (talk) 00:33, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Other nominations regarding Starship were opposed due to a failure to complete the entire test or meet some arbitrary requirement. Of course, now opposes are citing some other random arbitrary requirement to meet ITN. By all measures, this was a historic moment which may very well mark the beginning of human effort to establish an extra-terrestrial settlement. Kcmastrpc (talk) 16:48, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Every test flight is a step towards
human effort to establish an extra-terrestrial settlement
, this one is only one more small incremental improvement, and I don't see why it is any more historic than any other. It's not about arandom arbitrary requirement
, it's about the fact that we don't blurb test flights achieving slightly more than the previous test flight. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 17:17, 6 June 2024 (UTC)- First fully successful test flight of the first fully reusable and most powerful rocket in history, as well as the largest vehicle to ever make a controlled landing, as well as being all over the news. We've posted a lot less. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:52, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- It's easy to describe every test flight as a "first" in something as they each do incrementally better than the previous one, but until there's an actual payload, or maybe even manned mission, not every Starship first should be ITN-relevant. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 17:56, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- So the first commercial satellite launch of Starship would be notable for ITN in your view? PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:58, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Possibly. I don't believe in posting every Starship "first", but if there's one to pick, it's either that or the first manned flight. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 18:01, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Fair enough, though I personally believe this is notable enough to be posted PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:03, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Possibly. I don't believe in posting every Starship "first", but if there's one to pick, it's either that or the first manned flight. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 18:01, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- This is not just a major milestone in SpaceX development, but a significant milestone in human spaceflight history as the largest ever rocket's first successful flight. HamiltonthesixXmusic (talk) 00:34, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Plus the first successful flight and landing of a fully reusable rocket, which is a game-changer. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 12:37, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- So the first commercial satellite launch of Starship would be notable for ITN in your view? PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:58, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- It's easy to describe every test flight as a "first" in something as they each do incrementally better than the previous one, but until there's an actual payload, or maybe even manned mission, not every Starship first should be ITN-relevant. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 17:56, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- First fully successful test flight of the first fully reusable and most powerful rocket in history, as well as the largest vehicle to ever make a controlled landing, as well as being all over the news. We've posted a lot less. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:52, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Every test flight is a step towards
- Oppose. Another incremental test flight, still not to orbit and still without a payload. 'Successful hard landing' is a euphemism for 'intentionally destroyed on impact'. I'm getting pretty fed up of every test being nominated. If Starship actually achieves something useful then I'll reconsider; gradually getting closer to a usable state isn't blurb-worthy. Modest Genius talk 17:13, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Where did "hard landing" come from? The article claims soft landings for both the ship and the booster, and the CBS News source it links to appears to confirm that (although for the ship it simply quotes Musk's claim on that). 167.24.104.189 (talk) 17:42, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- 'Hard landing' is in the nomination above. The article calls it a 'virtual landing' i.e. not a real landing. Modest Genius talk 17:47, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- From the article: "B11 successfully splashed down in the Gulf of Mexico, in what SpaceX has confirmed was a soft landing" and "S29 splashed down softly in the Indian Ocean." If that's wrong, it should probably be corrected, but the sources given seem to confirm it. 167.24.104.189 (talk) 17:52, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Both the Booster and Ship appeared to land intact based on the telemetry (though the ship had taken damage on the flaps), I don't think we've gotten confirmation yet as to their status now. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:54, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- From the article: "B11 successfully splashed down in the Gulf of Mexico, in what SpaceX has confirmed was a soft landing" and "S29 splashed down softly in the Indian Ocean." If that's wrong, it should probably be corrected, but the sources given seem to confirm it. 167.24.104.189 (talk) 17:52, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- 'Hard landing' is in the nomination above. The article calls it a 'virtual landing' i.e. not a real landing. Modest Genius talk 17:47, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Mention of "hard landing" in nomination appears to be in error? Both vehicles performed soft touchdowns successfully [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 22:05, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- See WP:ITNCDONT point 4 [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 22:07, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- I did read the article - at the time of my comment it said nothing about the landings, only plans for the landings. We can argue semantics if you like, but being destroyed when they enter the ocean does not constitute a soft landing to me, even if they slowed down first. There's no evidence either craft was in the intended location either - the upper stage almost certainly wasn't, given its fins were completely shredded during re-entry. Anyway, none of this makes this more than a test flight, so it isn't suitable for ITN. Modest Genius talk 10:27, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- This is an uninformed analysis. Starship was orbiting the earth at 26.000 km/h and slowed down to 50km/h performing a vertical soft landing. The same happened for the booster. The entire stack is the largest and most powerful rocket ever built. This is a monumental achievement and an historic first in human spaceflight technology. Nothing similar has ever been attempted in history. We just had in the news the Boeing Starliner launch which is a routine ISS crew mission (performed by an extremely delayed but totally ordinary launch platform) and not this? {{u|Gtoffoletto}} talk 13:39, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
Starship was orbiting the earth
It was not, this was a suborbital flightNothing similar has ever been attempted in history
I remember SpaceX attempting this three times already, and claiming each time that it was the first "true" successWe just had in the news the Boeing Starliner launch which is a routine ISS crew mission
And, more importantly, is Boeing Starliner's first manned flight, rather than its fourth test flight Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 13:45, 7 June 2024 (UTC)- The news here is that both the booster and the launch vehicle of the most powerful rocket ever achieved orbital re-entry and performed the first vertical soft water landings in history. Calling that flight "sub orbital" is farcical. {{u|Gtoffoletto}} talk 13:53, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- So jarring that the Starliner launch is the first item and this is not even mentioned... unfortunately the topic at this point is absurdly polarised and the results are simply comical. {{u|Gtoffoletto}} talk 13:57, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- But it was not an orbital flight. They weren't on an orbital trajectory at any point. That's literally the definition of suborbital. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 17:51, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- The news here is that both the booster and the launch vehicle of the most powerful rocket ever achieved orbital re-entry and performed the first vertical soft water landings in history. Calling that flight "sub orbital" is farcical. {{u|Gtoffoletto}} talk 13:53, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- This is an uninformed analysis. Starship was orbiting the earth at 26.000 km/h and slowed down to 50km/h performing a vertical soft landing. The same happened for the booster. The entire stack is the largest and most powerful rocket ever built. This is a monumental achievement and an historic first in human spaceflight technology. Nothing similar has ever been attempted in history. We just had in the news the Boeing Starliner launch which is a routine ISS crew mission (performed by an extremely delayed but totally ordinary launch platform) and not this? {{u|Gtoffoletto}} talk 13:39, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- I did read the article - at the time of my comment it said nothing about the landings, only plans for the landings. We can argue semantics if you like, but being destroyed when they enter the ocean does not constitute a soft landing to me, even if they slowed down first. There's no evidence either craft was in the intended location either - the upper stage almost certainly wasn't, given its fins were completely shredded during re-entry. Anyway, none of this makes this more than a test flight, so it isn't suitable for ITN. Modest Genius talk 10:27, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- See WP:ITNCDONT point 4 [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 22:07, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Where did "hard landing" come from? The article claims soft landings for both the ship and the booster, and the CBS News source it links to appears to confirm that (although for the ship it simply quotes Musk's claim on that). 167.24.104.189 (talk) 17:42, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per Modest Genius. I also get the feeling that this is an incremental improvement, which is exactly what Starship's development approach really is. This is the fourth integrated flight test in less than a year, and there's going to be a fifth one by the end of this month. I really don't see why this one warrants inclusion. When it achieves something beyond the current limits of spaceflight development, then that would be the right news to post.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 17:35, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- If IFT-5 is another flight like this, even if the full system is recovered, I would be against posting, but this is the first fully successful flight, and previous tests were shut down due to not all objectives of the mission being met.
- The booster catch, if performed successfully on IFT-5, would definitely fit ITN imo PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:56, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support per PrecariousWorlds and Kcmastrpc. Alexcalamaro (talk) 17:43, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose another week, another SpaceX launch. Starship is launching test flights so often now that it is hard to keep track (expected to have 4 more this year). So what that this one did not explode. When Starship has its first crewed launch, then we can post. Natg 19 (talk) 18:04, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Surely it's not necessary to have every space flight included here. Got to be something really out of the ordinary. Nigej (talk) 18:11, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- This is not just an ordinary space flight; it is the first fully successful flight test of the largest spacecraft currently operational. Surely the complete success of IFT-4 deserves a brief mention in current events, as opposed to the incremental successes of the last two Starship flights. HamiltonthesixXmusic (talk) 21:37, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per Modest Genius. I'll consider supporting if/when they do a crewed launch, but this is just another incremental test. The Kip (contribs) 19:00, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose While we'd posted IFT-1, it quickly came in retrospect to have been viewed as a mistake, and neither IFT-2 or IFT-3 were posted. This is merely an incremental test flight that doesn't mark any big turning point. The only difference being claimed is that the vehicles mostly remained intact/capable up to the point they were expected to blow up; it still had a number of "partial failures," so it doesn't even cross the bar as a 100% success, even before acknowledging that an internal test isn't exactly particularly newsworthy. ITN is not a ticker for SpaceX activities; it's a venue for news, not press releases. Nottheking (talk) 19:07, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- What? All test objectives were accomplished? [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 21:18, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- No, no they were not all accomplished. You can read the list we have on them here. Those yellow items indicate objects only partly completed. "All objectives completed" would mean that list would consist only of green items, with zero yellow, red, or grayed-out.
- The actual qualified statement is that, for the first time, Starship wasn't precluded from even attempting its final objectives. It's notable that it still had engine failures, and most critically, while it was mostly in one-piece on reentry, it did still suffer a heat-shield breach, that resulted in one of its maneuvering flaps burning partly through. (a decent amount of material was observed to have broken free of S28 during reentry & descent) Given that the focal objective repeatedly talked about was to avoid any burning up during reentry, this constitutes only a partial success. Nottheking (talk) 22:43, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- The main test objectives of this flight were to simulate a booster landing in the Gulf of Mexico, and for the Starship to survive reentry and soft-land in the Indian Ocean. Both of which were accomplished.
- Not sure what you mean by partial success, even major news networks are hailing the flight as the first successful Starship flight. HamiltonthesixXmusic (talk) 00:36, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Would also like to point out that those are huge first accomplishments in the history of spaceflight... those are monumental steps forward in the history of spaceflight. {{u|Gtoffoletto}} talk 13:32, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- What? All test objectives were accomplished? [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 21:18, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support I believe that this fully successful flight test of the largest spacecraft constructed deserves a brief mention. This story has been covered by multiple major American and international news networks and hailed as a completely successful test flight, including CNN, BBC, CBS, NSBC, etc.
- Besides, the opposers seem to be riding on a shaky precedent set by the last three Starship launches that failed. This one is a complete success, very different from the previous IFT-2 and IFT-3. HamiltonthesixXmusic (talk) 21:42, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose While I do agree that IFT-4 was amazing, the exact notability of the mission isn't really that much (especially compared to IFT-1). Frankly, I don't think we should be nominating Starship launches until a major milestone is achieved (such as first full reuse, first ship-to-ship prop transfer, or even first HLS demo mission). Stoplookin9 Hey there! Send me a message! 21:51, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Successful flight test and big milestone in spaceflight towards fully-reusable rockets. 2607:FEA8:E31F:D2C6:932B:262A:AD:4D20 (talk) 21:54, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support, incremental improvement over the previous flight but it looks like NASA and the media consider this to be a Big F***ing Deal owing to the controlled landing of both vehicles, especially the controlled reentry and landing of the upper stage being the largest spacecraft ever re-entered (semi?)-successfully [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 22:03, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- It would be pretty curious having 3 notable spaceflight-related blurbs on the front page although this shouldn't be a factor in consensus finding [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 22:05, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- I've not seen much from NASA. I've seen a lot of SpaceX asserting it's a "full success," even though it's still heavily qualified. Expect it to drop out of the news cycle once it's no longer the day of, just like with IFT-2 and IFT-3. Nottheking (talk) 22:36, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- "Expect it to drop out of the news cycle once it's no longer the day of, just like with IFT-2 and IFT-3" isn't this the same as 50% of the items we post? PrecariousWorlds (talk) 07:41, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per Modest Genius and Stoplooking9 Sharrdx (talk) 12:54, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:03, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Strong support having the Boeing Starliner launch in the news section and not this launch which is the first successful complete launch of the most powerful (and advanced) rocket ever built is crazy. {{u|Gtoffoletto}} talk 13:30, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Because Boeing Starliner is the actual first manned mission, while this is just another, slightly more successful test launch. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 13:39, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comparing the two is farcical. Starliner is a totally routine and ordinary mission. The only notable aspect of that mission is that the first launch was so delayed. Starship is the world's most powerful rocket. Nothing similar to Starship was ever attempted in the history of human spaceflight and this test resulted in many "firsts" and many records and a huge step forward in human spaceflight technology. In the words of NASA Administrator Bill Nelson:
“Congratulations SpaceX on Starship’s successful test flight this morning! We are another step closer to returning humanity to the Moon through Artemis—then looking onward to Mars.”
{{u|Gtoffoletto}} talk 13:48, 7 June 2024 (UTC)Nothing similar to Starship was ever attempted in the history of human spaceflight
- this is not evident. You're bludgeoning this thread with peacock terms and SpaceX boosterism, accompanied by crystal-ball claims about the Moon and Mars - but the evidence just doesn't support it. It's a decent test, don't get me wrong - but it just doesn't deserve the exaggerated hype you're heaping on it. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:54, 7 June 2024 (UTC)this is not evident
I understand that. Hence this absurd discussion exists. Unfortunately, to anyone with basic knowledge of spaceflight technology this is abundantly clear. See for example:SpaceX Starship launches on nail-biting 4th test flight of world's most powerful rocket
https://www.space.com/spacex-starship-flight-4-test-launch-success- What you call "boosterism" and "peacock terms" are actually reality. This is:
- the biggest rocket ever launched
- the most powerful rocket ever launched
- the first successful re-entry of a booster of this class
- the first successful vertical soft landing of a booster of this class
- the first successful orbital re-entry of a space vehicle of this class
- the first successful vertical soft landing of a booster of this class
- And many other firsts (more technical). This is a monumental achievement in the history of spaceflight. But sure, let's talk about Boeing Starliner. {{u|Gtoffoletto}} talk 14:04, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- I can't understand why in unbiased and good faith you are actively against posting this blurb about Starship. IFT-1 and IFT-4 are subjectively notable to the same degree. HamiltonthesixXmusic (talk) 14:25, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comparing the two is farcical. Starliner is a totally routine and ordinary mission. The only notable aspect of that mission is that the first launch was so delayed. Starship is the world's most powerful rocket. Nothing similar to Starship was ever attempted in the history of human spaceflight and this test resulted in many "firsts" and many records and a huge step forward in human spaceflight technology. In the words of NASA Administrator Bill Nelson:
- Because Boeing Starliner is the actual first manned mission, while this is just another, slightly more successful test launch. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 13:39, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per Modest Genius. Not every single test needs to be posted. Seems like a recurring theme that "ooh-la-la! cool spaceship launched!" is taken into consideration here. Kline • talk • contribs 17:28, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) Israel–Maldives relations
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Blurb: The Maldives bans Israeli passport holders from entering the country, following the war in Gaza. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera CNN Times of Israel The President's Office Sky News
Credits:
- Nominated by MAL MALDIVE (talk · give credit)
MAL MALDIVE (talk) 13:15, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Minor development in the war, and the Maldives already didn't have diplomatic relations with Israel. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 13:43, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose footnote to the ongoing conflict. Masem (t) 13:47, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. The Kip (contribs) 16:07, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. Minor diplomatic move that won't make any difference to the war. Modest Genius talk 17:21, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose good attempt but oppose per Modest Genius Ion.want.uu (talk) 05:57, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Rosa (sea otter)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Monterey Bay Aquarium
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Jbvann05 (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Sea otter at the Monterey Bay Aquarium. Jbvann05 01:52, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Well sourced, decent depth of coverage (for an otter you know). Looks good to me. DarkSide830 (talk) 04:50, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Actually just missed the lack of a source for her death date in the infobox. That's been rectified. It should probably be mentioned in the article proper as well. DarkSide830 (talk) 04:57, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support - Sufficiently sourced and generally of decent article quality. - Bucket of sulfuric acid (talk | contribs) 10:24, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Not ready Still many primary YouTube sources, and several [citation needed] tags in the last two sections of the article. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 15:01, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- All the cn tags have been removed now. Jbvann05 20:56, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Not ready but I support it when it is. The "care" section has some fluff that needs removed too. EvergreenFir (talk) 15:47, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Looks well written and well sourced (though I would prefer fewer primary sources and social media ones). The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 06:18, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article looks good. Marking as ready. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 10:02, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support RIP, article is in a good shape. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:04, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
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(Posted) Starliner, for real this time
Blurb: The Boeing Starliner spacecraft conducts its maiden crewed flight, launching two astronauts to the International Space Station. (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:
- Nominated by Iamstillqw3rty (talk · give credit)
Article needs updating
Just about to enter orbit (only took 14 years). Article needs updating. qw3rty 15:11, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose The most interesting aspect of the CNN report was that this mission is going to fix the ISS's urine recycler which is broken and so they are having to cross their legs up there. But our article says nothing about this and it's not clear that it counts as the sort of "going boldly" that we aspire to. Compared to the Chinese mission, this seems too lower deck to make the grade. Andrew🐉(talk) 15:51, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. Good for Boeing I guess. This just reads as commercial news to me. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:02, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability Isn't this ITN/R? I believe we posted SpaceX launches in the past. This is a major milestone for the commercial crewed space program, as there is now a competitor to SpaceX. Article itself looks like may need more details. Natg 19 (talk) 18:32, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Maiden crewed flight of a new spacecraft. Only the sixth in US history. Agile Jello (talk) 18:38, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Per the list of crewed spacecraft, it's 9th in the US and 13th overall. Unlucky for some... Andrew🐉(talk) 09:08, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose One giant leap for Boeing's involvement in the urine recycling game, only the sixth small step in corporate American space support history. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:51, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Wait - Until the mission concludes, but Hallelujah! It's a latter day miracle! PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:54, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Weak support. We rightly removed routine ISS crew rotations and new rocket types from ITNR, so this needs to be judged on its own merits. We posted a blurb about the first SpaceX crewed launch to the space station (Crew Dragon Demo-2), so it seems fair to also post Boeing reaching the same milestone. But that should be the only time we feature this spacecraft going to the ISS. The article is underwhelming but in good enough shape to post. I can see a case for waiting until it docks with the ISS though. Modest Genius talk 19:01, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- The Dragon Demo was posted in May 2020 because it was a different time with different rules on presumed importance and resistance was futile. Same reason we kept a massive box of constant COVID nearby (more or less). Nowadays, we're free! InedibleHulk (talk) 20:30, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Update: they're having difficulty docking CNN. Modest Genius talk 17:24, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Successfully docked, as of 17:41 UTC. Natg 19 (talk) 17:41, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- OK. Then we should post as soon as reliable sources have reported that fact and the article has been updated. Modest Genius talk 17:49, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Successfully docked, as of 17:41 UTC. Natg 19 (talk) 17:41, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support - The article is in decent shape and the notability and newsworthiness is high. Jusdafax (talk) 23:30, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support notable as first for spacecraft, future crewed launches of spacecraft however shouldn't be posted. Happily888 (talk) 04:04, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Weak support as Boeing's first crewed launch, but future launches shouldn't be posted even if they do incrementally better. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 17:53, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support notable due to being maiden flight of a spacecraft carrying crew, has happened on the order of 20 or so times in human history [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 18:13, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: NASA reports that the spacecraft has docked to the ISS so we may want to consider whether to include that in the blurb or not [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 18:15, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Weak support per Chaotic Enby. The Kip (contribs) 18:59, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support This marks the first crewed orbital spaceflight operated by a new entity, which brings the world's total to 5. (after the USSR/Russia, USA, China, and SpaceX) To be honest this is the level of something that should have its own ITN/R criteria, but space ITN/R has been... Slashed down very heavily over the years. This has been covered extensively in the news across its entire campaign to reach launch across the prior month, and is most certainly a major event that changes the landscape of human spaceflight. This is a major historical milestone for the subject.
- Worth noting that this is ITN-worthy specifically for being the first such flight by Boeing; routine crewed flights (they're on contract to provide NASA with six more) aren't inherently newsworthy, the same as applies with routine Crew Dragon or Soyuz launches; we get a few of each for each year. However, the first by an entity is newsworthy, and (while this isn't the proper venue) is something that is a glaring absence from the ITN/R criteria. After all, as it stands India's upcoming first crewed Gaganyaan flight (on track for next year) would, in fact, not be ITN/R, as bewildering as that sounds. So that's a clear indicator that right now, there's a huge gap for spaceflights in ITN that aren't ITN/R. Nottheking (talk) 19:25, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support now that they have successfully docked. --Carnildo (talk) 19:49, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support for notability and reliable sourcing -- Rauisuchian (talk) 23:46, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 03:46, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Pull per Andrew Davidson (talk · contribs).wound theology◈ 19:03, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: having this up while not mentioning Starship's launch on the same day looks ridiculous. The contrast in coverage is jarring especially since many have obviously compared the two launches (since the two companies are competitors) [3]. At this point we should probably remove this as well. It looks like a paid ad for Boeing. Either mention the two (even together) or remove both. {{u|Gtoffoletto}} talk 19:14, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- That's a false equivalency. It's entirely logically consistent to think Boeing's launch is ITNworthy, while thinking SpaceX's latest isn't. Whether one (or both) actually are ITNworthy are two separate questions, but it does not look ridiculous to draw the line between them. As we've apparently done. Floquenbeam (talk) 19:19, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Aye. As I repeated summarily while closing the other Starbird, it was only a test. This Starcraft is "for real". A test can still be posted if consensus develops, of course. Likewise, "the real thing" can just as easily fail. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:41, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- The difference in significance of the two launches is so vast that highlighting one versus the other is comical. One is a "for real" routine ISS crew flight (albeit with a new vehicle). The other is the first successful test of the most powerful rocket in history and the achievement of many firsts in rocketry history (full reusability, vertical landing etc.). I understand if we don't want to report all tests. But then we shouldn't highlight the Starliner ISS crew flight as it is pretty much irrelevant. {{u|Gtoffoletto}} talk 12:04, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nobody seems more into making this a Starliner vs Starship feud than you have, in both nominations. I find it funny, but not "ha-ha funny", and agree each is irrelevant to the other. You're probably right about all those rocket science superlatives, but you can't expect a fan of something else to get as excited about it. Nobody can, whatever their niche. Anyway, I appreciate the effort and am sure you've raised a good deal of rocketry awareness in just trying to get this across to us. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:35, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- The difference in significance of the two launches is so vast that highlighting one versus the other is comical. One is a "for real" routine ISS crew flight (albeit with a new vehicle). The other is the first successful test of the most powerful rocket in history and the achievement of many firsts in rocketry history (full reusability, vertical landing etc.). I understand if we don't want to report all tests. But then we shouldn't highlight the Starliner ISS crew flight as it is pretty much irrelevant. {{u|Gtoffoletto}} talk 12:04, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Aye. As I repeated summarily while closing the other Starbird, it was only a test. This Starcraft is "for real". A test can still be posted if consensus develops, of course. Likewise, "the real thing" can just as easily fail. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:41, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Gtoffoletto I would second this. Additionally that discussion was closed and archived too soon, in a rush, preventing further opinions and discussions. It was closed after only approximately 24 hours, mostly from people who seem to be unaware of it. Ergzay (talk) 21:13, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- That's a false equivalency. It's entirely logically consistent to think Boeing's launch is ITNworthy, while thinking SpaceX's latest isn't. Whether one (or both) actually are ITNworthy are two separate questions, but it does not look ridiculous to draw the line between them. As we've apparently done. Floquenbeam (talk) 19:19, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
RD: John Blackman
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:
- Nominated by HiLo48 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Australian TV and radio personality HiLo48 (talk) 00:29, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Wait for sources. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:08, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - Noticeable lack of sources in entire sections and overabundance of CN tags. - Bucket of sulfuric acid (talk | contribs) 10:27, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Article needs ref work. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 10:03, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose a large number of cn atgs and multiple orange tags and needs more sources. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:23, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
RD: Asmatullah
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BOL News
Credits:
- Nominated by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Ainty Painty (talk) 04:52, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose So stubby that the subject's full name and age are not given. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:22, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Stub. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 07:18, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose as the page is a stub. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 10:59, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Ditto InedibleHulk (talk) 19:20, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:22, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
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