User talk:Randy Kryn

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For entertainment porpoises only:
"Time: Illusion stirred into gravity"
- Motto of The Salvation Space Force
(new comments on bottom of page please)

If you've never seen...[edit]

. . .Veiled Christ, a statue in Cappella Sansevero, Naples, Italy, that depicts a knobbly-kneed Christ in the tomb, please give the image two or three clicks. This almost unbelievable 1753 sculpture ("how'd he do that?"), carved from one piece of marble, has one of only two Wikipedia article's which have to prove, with sources, that the artwork was not the work of an alchemist. Step right up, and don't miss the modern looking couch, the two tasseled pillows, or the crown of thorns and other torture things down by the feet. All carved from a single block of marble. Literally steps away from Veiled Christ sits another "how'd he do that?" sculpture, also carved from a single block of marble (or created by alchemy).

While thinking aloud after mentioning impossible statues carved from one piece of rock...who can forget flowers made of glass.

One of life's pleasures[edit]

Watching Secretariat run his 1973 Triple Crown races in order while knowing three things: 1) Secretariat's trainer and jockey realized after the second race that the horse could run full speed from start to finish. 2) While drastically held back during the Kentucky Derby and Preakness, Secretariat still holds the fastest time in all three Triple Crown races. 3) Sham - the horse Secretariat trashed like a dancing bear in the Kentucky Derby - still holds the Derby's second fastest time.

Here's the 1973 Kentucky Derby...Secretariat's jockey holds him back...holds him wayyyy back, almost last place. Next the Preakness...holds him back... And then: the Belmont..."He is moving like a tre-men-dous machine".

Vandal masterpiece...[edit]

An IP wedding proposal[edit]

July 8, 2022: during three edits in three minutes an IP proposes marriage on the same page as the above masterpiece, creating their own. Wikipedians have a romantic side, even the bots, so nobody reverted until I did after two hours with a note saying that it should be enough time, and wished him luck. Does anyone know of an earlier proposal on Wikipedia, especially on such a good page for it and so perfectly played out - he seemingly decides to marry her right there, between two edits. Film scene scenario worthy (Hallmark, are you listening?).

This one time at band camp I vandalized a page[edit]

The docents ask people: "Find the cat". Letting the coolness of it lead me to break my oath as a Wikipedian, I now self-identify as a vandal. (in other vandal news, an IP spent a great deal of time removing all the vowels from several articles. Wh ddn't thnk f tht?).

Always interesting[edit]

"The problem with Wikipedia is that it only works in practice. In theory, it can never work." quoted by User:Kizor in the New York Times
"I think Wikipedia is quite possibly the best invention since the library." a quote by User:Srleffler.

See and listen to Wikipedia edits as they occur. Designed by Stephen LaPorte and Mahmoud Hashemi of hatnote.com, the link was copied from a user page, don't remember where, but deservedly displayed on quite a few as well as having its own article. Just who is making all this noise? Well...

...the size of our stadium[edit]

Here is Paine Ellsworth's subpage about how many Wikipedians can dance on the head of a pin.

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Mount Rushmore[edit]

Hi, IMO replacing a featured picture by this poor quality version is vandalism. Do not do that. Thanks, Yann (talk) 07:25, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Yann. The long-time image used doesn't seem at all poor quality (File:Mountrushmore.jpg) but is a much clearer image of the statue than the one you profer (File:Mount Rushmore detail view (100MP).jpg). Please take it to the article talk page, which is where this discussion should go. Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 08:21, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, but no. File:Mountrushmore.jpg is the worst possible choice. Even if one wants a different framing that File:Mount Rushmore detail view (100MP).jpg which is a high quality and resolution, and a featured picture, there are better choice. File:Mount Rushmore detail view (100MP).jpg was chosen as a FP when it was used in the article, and it shouldn't be removed, unless a better quality is offered. Thanks, Yann (talk) 08:29, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reminder to vote now to select members of the first U4C[edit]

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Feathered dinosaurs[edit]

Hi,

When you first changed "but" to "and" in the opening paragraph, the structure of that sentence had previously been modified from its original form, which I restored. I think this ("X, but also Y") does make sense when X is more familiar and Y less so - it's like an abbreviation of "not only X..."

I haven't reverted your edit, because this seems like a pointless thing to start an edit war over. Just wanted to let you know my reasoning.

Cheers, Robin S (talk) 06:24, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Robin S, thanks for coming by and following up. "and" seems to continue the descriptor while "but" raises an unstated question. 'But' puts the descriptor in doubt without saying which part of it is doubtful. 'And' just extends the use of the anatomical feature to other species. In this case the birds are the more familiar animals with feathers, and presented first, and then the fact that possibly many or all dinosaurs had feathers. The opening sentence may be the problem, as pointing out that 'feathered dinosaurs are dinosaurs with feathers' seems redundant. Something like "Feathered dinosaurs include all species of birds and, according to recent research, most species of extinct dinosaurs." provides the same information without excess wording. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:48, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Statues depicting Mary Magdalene has been nominated for renaming[edit]

Category:Statues depicting Mary Magdalene has been nominated for renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Ham II (talk) 13:13, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of mission to the moon.[edit]

Hi, Recently, I noticed that someone changed the operator name from CNSA to SUPARCO in the article list of mission to the moon, but the source next to it still states that the operator is CNSA. As an IP, I am unable to edit the page due to semi-protection. I kindly request your assistance in reviewing and correcting this inconsistency to ensure the accuracy of the information presented on the page. It's essential that the operator name aligns correctly with the provided source to avoid confusion for readers. Thank you very much for your attention to this matter. Your prompt action in addressing this issue would be greatly appreciated. 2402:8100:2735:2F2B:12B:88BE:809A:C5A9 (talk) 05:46, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. Probably best if you post your request on the talk page of the article, that will let editors know of your concern (which is not one I know enough about to make an edit). Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 08:37, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! I'd like to interview you[edit]

Hey Randy, thanks for all the furry astronauts, typographical opinions, and everything else you've done for the 'pedia (hey, you created that too!). I'm writing a book about Wikipedians and I'm including a section about MoS editors. Are you willing to chat on the phone sometime this week? Could be later this month, too, since I'm not in a huge rush. It would be pretty low-key and maybe even fun. If you're interested, send me an email so that we can find a time (my Gmail is anrauwerda). Thanks! Annierau (talk) 04:06, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for recognizing the mice and monkey. Will email your Wiki email link. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:54, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

British currency in the Middle East[edit]

My apologies for the two reverts I did. I only did them to try and undo JMF's major revert on 12th April. I was intending to re-revert again, but you have done it now anyway. Meanwhile, do you know how to re-revert JMF's revert of 12th April? I'd be most grateful if you could help. Specialrequestaccount (talk)

Hello Specialrequestaccount, and no problem with the revert of my edit. As for the large revert that JMF made, maybe contact them directly or, after checking your user page and concern, and if JMF can't help after awhile (remember, Wikipedia has no time limit so no need to rush into next steps) maybe politely take it to WP:ANI for clarification, where it might be remedied. I like the username you've picked, surprised nobody has signed in on that one before. Good luck, and thanks for following up with an intent to improve the project. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:48, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I've contacted JMF already regarding the Egyptian pound and how to insert a source. We'll get that sorted out first. As regards my username, it wasn't my intention for it to be permanent, but now as you seem to like it, I might just keep it until I've finished working on the Middle East currency articles.Specialrequestaccount (talk) 16:15, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Precious anniversary[edit]

Precious
Nine years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:02, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Gerda Arendt! Nine precious stones make for a very shiny collection. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:27, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Changing the username[edit]

You liked this username. Well here is what it was all about. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Specialrequestaccount Specialrequestaccount (talk) 16:41, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Continued discussion[edit]

Randy, thanks for your latest input on my Talk page. This affair is now being discussed at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Indigenous_peoples_of_North_America#Academic_journal_article_of_interest. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 19:22, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

William Meacham[edit]

I just restored a notability tag that you deleted on William Meacham. There are indeed more references than there were when the tag was added in 2016, as you noted in your edit summary. However, most of the references on the page are to his written works, not independent references. Of the three that are not, one is to a mere acknowledgement in a book, and the other two are both referencing the same event, the finding of some lost Confederate graves. As such, we're in WP:BLP1E territory with the article as it is.

I've also opened the notability question as a topic on the articles talk page, so you can weigh in there if you wish. Peace to you! -- Nat Gertler (talk) 00:23, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Nat. I don't remove many notability tags, and if this one was incorrect, thanks for catching it. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:34, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New Age[edit]

I have carefully curated the templates so they don't include historical anachronisms or attribute other culture's ancient traditions to the New Age. Yoga is ancient, it is not "New Age", any more than Buddhism or Hinduism are New Age. There have been complaints of cultural appropriation on the New Age article and template talk pages and those complaints are justified. Yoga is ancient, only yoga as exercise is a New Age invention. Please discuss further on the template talk page if you think you can justify culturally appropriating other cultures pre-1970s traditions as being "New Age". Skyerise (talk) 10:18, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Skyerise. I'd added yoga because the yoga as exercise page is on the navbox, but will not add it back as you seem to have a justified point. The "exercises" just use forms of hatha yoga asanas, nothing new about them except the yoga mats and pants. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:35, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Right. I may be working on the infobox to make a clearer distinction between major infliuences which pre-existed New Age and actual New Age variants of practice. E.g. meditation is not New Age, but Transcendental Meditation and perhaps other modern forms of meditation are New Age, etc. Some editor keeps wanting to make Blavatsky and other Theosophists New Age, along with New Thought writers (not the same), etc. So perhaps some revision for clarity's sake may be in order. If you have suggestions, make them on the template talk page(s) so as to include the new editor... Skyerise (talk) 11:41, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, note that there is a separate category for New Age predecessors (people), which may not yet be fully populated. Skyerise (talk) 11:44, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Will do. I haven't looked at the infobox but will swing by at some point. The 'New Age' starts in the 1970s? There was a lot going on in the 1950s and especially the '60s, I guess all of that is now called "predecessors" (in the U.S. and UK one standard route was for the 1960s anti-War activists to go into human potential fields, and to follow the Beatles on their longer-and-longer haired journey until everyone bumped into Ram Dass and all yoga broke loose again). Randy Kryn (talk) 11:54, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, both New Thought and the Human Potential Movement were predecessors, the latter pretty directly influnced Esalen, and Esalen itself is considered a New Age community. And good call on Ram Dass: his Harvard days and affiliation with Timothy Leary are pre-New Age, but starting with the publication of Be Here Now in 1971, he became a major New Age figure. Strangely, even though Timothy Leary continued to publish through the 70s and 80s and 90s, he didn't get labelled New Age. And then Robert Anton Wilson continued some of the same themes as Leary and is also not labelled New Age: he was in fact a critic of the "New Age". I guess the difference was that Ram Dass embraced eastern religion and gurus, while Leary and Wilson did not. Skyerise (talk) 18:47, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Skyerise, I couldn't even define 'New Age' and its boundaries, although I know the general who's in and who's not. Ram Dass' book is obviously "in", and although Wilson's books occupy an interesting niche, neither he or Leary's work had the same wave effect throughout a generation as Remember Be Here Now. Among the other Eastern heavyweights, would Swami Satchidananda fit the New Age navbox? Randy Kryn (talk) 03:04, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Do mulitple (at least 2) high-quality reliable sources call him "New Age"? The phrase isn't even mentioned in his article, so he cannot currently be added to the category, and if he is not in the category, he cannot be in the navbox. Inclusion in categories and navboxes require supporting sources like anything else on Wikipedia. Skyerise (talk) 10:09, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Skyerise, as I said, I don't know how sources classify 'New Age'. The article says: "The New Age phenomenon has proved difficult to define, with much scholarly disagreement as to its scope". Ram Dass is in, John Lilly and Ingo Swann are out. Tim Leary is on the outside looking in (to coin a phrase) as is Terrance McKenna (Check out McKenna's commentary on the New Age). Not much of a new age leaving out some of the cultural giants of the era. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:36, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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