Talk:List of most expensive association football transfers
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Split managers[edit]
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I must say, when I first came to this article in summer and saw that there were managers included I was surprised. Do managers even transfer? Where we have lists of people related to football clubs, the managers and players have separate list articles. Of course, I had no involvement in curating that list so just left it. But someone is editing and giving edit reasons that explicitly say they want to make the managers appear more important. Holy POV, Batman! Just give the managers their own listicle like everything else, they'll be the most important there. Kingsif (talk) 16:45, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
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As the article lead says, this article is for the highest transfer fees ever paid for players
. There is no mention of managers, which will be because the transfer market of managers is a different concept to the transfer market of players. Since the list of women's players has been split out based on having much smaller differences (league specific issues) to the men's players, it makes no sense to keep managers attached to men's players. Transfers of players and transfers of managers are different scopes, and the only argument to retain the managers here presented so far has been that the price tag for managers is closer to men's players than the price tag of women's players, which is not only OTHERSTUFF but irrelevant - we wouldn't include a list of potatoes on the "most expensive tomatoes" list just because they were closer in price to tomatoes than cherry tomatoes were. Separate scope, separate article. Kingsif (talk) 21:17, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
- The reason managers aren't mentioned in the lead is because the lead is far too short at the moment. The article isn't called "List of most expensive association football transfers for players", there's no reason to create an article for managers. Also, the argument for retaining managers here wasn't due to price. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 21:59, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
Alexander Isak?[edit]
Newcastle bought isak for 70m euros, which would place him 38th on this list, is this true? Habat1165 (talk) 20:27, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
- 70m is the max price, including incentives. Which aren't included for other players. Yeetmaster25 (talk) 23:29, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
Highest Transfers in Football[edit]
Christiano Ronaldo's transfer to Al Nassr is not listed. 2003:CD:3721:D771:1D6A:42C9:E653:BAD1 (talk) 18:02, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
- What was the transfer fee? All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 18:58, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, because it was a free transfer... 0 DOLLARS. Yeetmaster25 (talk) 23:30, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
Split women[edit]
Per the {{Split section}} for the Women's section, which had a broken talk link, I've drafted a split a version off today's edits at List of most expensive women's association football transfers to demonstrate it. Never split an article before, don't know what I'm doing, and the instructions are WP:CORRECTSPLIT are unclear or absent on what to do if someone else adds {{Split section}} but doesn't initiate a discussion that actually proposes what the split should be.
So I guess
I? propose splitting the women's list to List of most expensive women's association football transfers, in parallel to other articles in Category:Women's association football-related lists and Category:Women's association football records and statistics and as a supporting article for the recently created (as in, since the December discussions/arguments above) Professionalism in women's association football. The section is already large and well-sourced enough to make its own page, and there are several factors unique or uniquely prominent among transfers in the women's game that aren't well served by being positioned as a section on a list primarily describing men's transfers:
- the relative prominence of the NWSL and its different domestic systems of player rights/trades/discovery/NWSL allocation money
- retaliatory trades and transfers documented in the 2021 NWSL abuse scandal, particularly at KC Current, Chicago Red Stars, and Orlando Pride
- economic and historical issues touched on in Professionalism in women's association football w/r/t sporting bans and relative lack of investment
- labour issues touched on in Labour relations in women's association football, particularly in Argentina's professionalization via lawsuit over a refused transfer
- transfers involving relationships between players (1), or spouses in other leagues (1) or sports (1)
-Socccc (talk) 00:51, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
- Commment. The NWSL's weirdness makes including allocation money transactions frustrating. Many NWSL transactions that involve allocation money don't solely involve it. It also excludes by definition every notable domestic NWSL transaction from before the existence of allocation money in 2020. Should there separately be a list similar to List of largest National Football League trades for notable transactions? Do those belong on NWSL records and statistics? It all dents the conventions of the section as framed like men's or Euro-centric transactions. -Socccc (talk) 00:58, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
- Though I find it generally unnecessary to separate men's and women's players when there are no length concerns - especially after reading many comments at the talk pages of mostly captain list articles from non-editors asking directly for the men and women to be at the same article - the note of the weirdness of the NWSL as well as the player-related history of women's transfers that you note, are reason to support a split based on the subject having an additional scope that is not present in men's transfers at large. With the allocation money being weird a main reason to have a separate list, I think it would make sense to perhaps move the trades to their own list at the new listicle - should this conversation be moved there? Kingsif (talk) 21:03, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
- Raised there in Talk:List of most expensive women's association football transfers#Breaking out or removing domestic NWSL trades -Socccc (talk) 20:33, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
- Though I find it generally unnecessary to separate men's and women's players when there are no length concerns - especially after reading many comments at the talk pages of mostly captain list articles from non-editors asking directly for the men and women to be at the same article - the note of the weirdness of the NWSL as well as the player-related history of women's transfers that you note, are reason to support a split based on the subject having an additional scope that is not present in men's transfers at large. With the allocation money being weird a main reason to have a separate list, I think it would make sense to perhaps move the trades to their own list at the new listicle - should this conversation be moved there? Kingsif (talk) 21:03, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
saudi club transfers[edit]
what about the club record transfers from saudi Arabia? did all the players joined them as free agents or smth? I seriously doubt kante's transfer wasn't as a free agent, even mané. Credmaster 20 (talk) 20:05, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
- The Saudi transfers are nowhere near making a dent on this table, surely? Jordan Henderson went for £12m. Neves went for £47m, that's peanuts compared to some of these figures. PeachyBum07 (talk) 20:11, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
- If you can provide sources that show any of the transfers were above approx €70m/£60m, they can be included. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 20:31, 7 August 2023 (UTC)